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Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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As someone not from the US, does this mean you don't get to choose the high school you go to and it is only determined by your address regardless of where you friends go, etc.?

As someone from the US - does this mean there are places where students are free to go to any high school they wish? Could this result in overcrowding if all the students want to go to the same school?

I am from Austria and yes I am free to send my kid to any public school in the country that will have them. I've even had times in my own childhood where I lived in one state, went to school in another and then switched schools twice within a month because I just didn't like the first one I switched to.

I've never heard that we have significant overcrowding issues or somesuch - if anywhere then probably in Vienna, but that's just general capital city capacity woes.

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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Nice work! This doesn’t hold for all school districts. Some, like New Orleans post Katrina, became all-charter districts such that each school essentially operated as its own district. Other districts serve only elementary school students (as opposed to “Unified” districts). Just heads up that there are edge cases.

The data is probably coming from the Census [1] through the NECS that the author mentions. If so, the documentation is here [2] (starting on page 4-42) but doesn't mention anything about Louisiana having anything out of the ordinary. It calls out Vermont, Illinois and New Jersey for having some wackiness with "pseudo districts"

[1] https://www.census.gov/geographies/mapping-files/time-series...

[2] https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/maps-data/data/tiger/tgrshp...

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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Yes the government-provided schooling tends to be hyper-local in the US, though there are exceptions. This was (along with other things) used to avoid regulations banning racial segregation of schools (since neighborhoods were already segregated due to policies like redlining). When people perceive one school to be better than another, they may use various forms of fraud to get their children into the school; using t…

> When people perceive one school to be better than another Often there's more to it than just perception. My parents moved to a smaller suburb so my brother and I could attend schools with higher standardized test scores, lower class sizes, less violent incidents, more extracurricular activities, and ultimately _a lot_ more funding. Both districts were public. They made this decision looking at publicly accessible d…

> Often there's more to it than just perception

Yes, perception has a correlation with reality.

> Sure - address fraud is very common in regards to getting your kid to a better education opportunity but when there are stark, vast differences between districts I have a hard time blaming people. Especially given my anecdotal experience.

Indeed, a friend of mine in elementary school was one example; his grandparents lived down the street from me, and his parents were in a terrible school district.

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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> When people perceive one school to be better than another Often there's more to it than just perception. My parents moved to a smaller suburb so my brother and I could attend schools with higher standardized test scores, lower class sizes, less violent incidents, more extracurricular activities, and ultimately _a lot_ more funding. Both districts were public. They made this decision looking at publicly accessible d…

> Often there's more to it than just perception Yes, perception has a correlation with reality. > Sure - address fraud is very common in regards to getting your kid to a better education opportunity but when there are stark, vast differences between districts I have a hard time blaming people. Especially given my anecdotal experience. Indeed, a friend of mine in elementary school was one example; his grandparents liv…

> Yes, perception has a correlation with reality.

Ope.. getting hung up on the statement "perception has a correlation with reality." Reality is the way things are, and perception is quintessentially subjective. It is not guaranteed that perception correlates with reality - just spend 10 minutes with my family for this lesson.

I argue the difference between school districts in the US is not perception, as it is not subjective - it is fact. It is reality. This is something that has been so extensively studied I wish all of us could accept it as fact.

Sorry to get hung up on a word. I find that people making these decisions aren't typically doing it from a subjective place -- they're making data-driven decisions to maximize their child's opportunities.

Sorry to be pedantic... cheers!

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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100k would be considered small. San Francisco has 800k people, and it is considered small.

San Francisco is considered small? Its a top 20 city in terms of population.

Wow TIL! And I've been living in SF for over 10 years!

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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As somebody who's company has been involved in creating those maps and has been accused of "destroying property values and ruining lives" there are some really complex trade offs that go into these things.

I can imagine things get pretty high-stakes. In this particular situation, the school district they were zoned for was very similar, but it was just much less convenient to get the kids to school in the morning. Curious about the downvotes — isn't this a relevant anecdote that shows the need for products like this one?

I assume it’s because many people don’t feel the least bit sorry for a family that is wealthy enough to live in Atherton …

But it’s not fair to take that out on you.

I have a more extreme example. Riverdale High School near Portland, Oregon sits entirely outside of its geographic attendance zone. Riverdale might be the wealthiest district in the state. Perhaps that’s no coincidence.

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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I am German, so I am familiar with our system, which is why I asked specifically about high schools ;)

Ah, makes sense! Huh the world is small, I live in the city where you study ;)

damn, the world really is small

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from the US - does this mean there are places where students are free to go to any high school they wish? Could this result in overcrowding if all the students want to go to the same school?

I am from Austria and yes I am free to send my kid to any public school in the country that will have them. I've even had times in my own childhood where I lived in one state, went to school in another and then switched schools twice within a month because I just didn't like the first one I switched to. I've never heard that we have significant overcrowding issues or somesuch - if anywhere then probably in Vienna, bu…

Some US localities allow something similar, and the “school district” may be larger than some countries.

Others are so small and rural that there is only one option, period.

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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post #34

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San Francisco is considered small? Its a top 20 city in terms of population.

Wow TIL! And I've been living in SF for over 10 years!

City vs metropolitan area confuses many people. A size of a city “feels” like the metropolitan area, but that it often technically many cities up against each other.

Re: Show HN: Lookup the school district associated with a street address in the US

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Also, about the "regardless of where your friends go" part, I'd say most people meet their friends in school. I guess if they moved and had to change schools that would suck but I can't think of anyone that happened to personally (other than friends who moved far away, like to another state). And the school district is often a very key factor when people with kids are looking for housing.

At least where I live you change the school you go to at least once and I just assumed it was the same in the US considering that there are middle and high school. So when you switch from middle to high school, I would have assumed not all of your friends end up at the same school...

As mentioned it’s often hierarchical (elementary schools being the smallest) BUT you still have people who switch to private school at the boundaries, etc.
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