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A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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I visited an experimental octopus farm in Hawaii once, expecting to come away feeling guilty about eating octopus since I had heard so much about how smart they are. It ended up having the opposite effect, since I learned that they only live 2 years and aren't social creatures. This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence. They mi…

They are absolutely intelligent, there is no question. I've owned several. The way they can earn to communicate and solve puzzles puts them in the same category as crows, apes, elephants dolphins, etc.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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I visited an experimental octopus farm in Hawaii once, expecting to come away feeling guilty about eating octopus since I had heard so much about how smart they are. It ended up having the opposite effect, since I learned that they only live 2 years and aren't social creatures. This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence. They mi…

What? How do we know whatever is not intelligent?

By studying behavior and neurology.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Not trying to be a SJW but a drove an 18 wheeler for a year and would pick up meat from slaughter houses and the way they treat those animals is god forsakenly bad.They put hundreds of chickens in a room and spray water with electrical current into it. The cows would come in on trucks just terrified with the walls covered in their own feces. Not even going to get started on the conditions in which they are raised. It…

Capitalism isn’t unique by any means in that correct observation

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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post #14

I visited an experimental octopus farm in Hawaii once, expecting to come away feeling guilty about eating octopus since I had heard so much about how smart they are. It ended up having the opposite effect, since I learned that they only live 2 years and aren't social creatures. This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence. They mi…

>This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence.

Octopuses can demonstrably learn: scientists put food inside a pot with a lid and gave the pot to an octopus. If my memory doesn't fail me, in the first attempt the octopus took 2 hours to open the lid and in the second one it took 5 minutes.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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post #14

I visited an experimental octopus farm in Hawaii once, expecting to come away feeling guilty about eating octopus since I had heard so much about how smart they are. It ended up having the opposite effect, since I learned that they only live 2 years and aren't social creatures. This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence. They mi…

Give this a watch, friend, and tell me after if they’re still like insects. There’s a lot of intentional life in those 2 years. TLDR - director spent every day in the water with an Octopus in a nearby lagoon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Octopus_Teacher

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Ugh what next, farm chimpanzees for their meat?

Take too long to reach maturity. Many octopuses live just a year or two. Takes no time to get to maturity. Anyway, whales and dolphins eat them too.

Dolphins also rape each other and kill baby dolphins.

That’s hardly a justification for what humans should and shouldn’t do.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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The real problem is that nearly all seafood is unsustainable. Even when using euphemisms like 'farms' make us thing it's somewhat contained to one place and we just throw them some food pellets manufactured from vegetables in another factory. The reality of salmon farms for instance is that for every 1kg of farmed Salmon it takes 20kg of wild fish to feed them to maturity.

There's a lot of shit ton of algaes blooming due to climate change. Wonder if that can be sourced as protein / feed.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Pigs are pretty smart, too.

Smarter then dogs. The criteria for edibility is mainly ugliness vs. Cuteness. Octopuses are recently getting more media attention with that movie about the diver that made friends with one so they are getting cuter. Try farm raising and eating baby penguins you'll get the same reaction even though penguins are dumb AF. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

You bring up a good point about penguins. They and chickens are both birds, so why are we finally eating chickens but not penguins? Cuteness definitely plays a role.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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The real problem is that nearly all seafood is unsustainable. Even when using euphemisms like 'farms' make us thing it's somewhat contained to one place and we just throw them some food pellets manufactured from vegetables in another factory. The reality of salmon farms for instance is that for every 1kg of farmed Salmon it takes 20kg of wild fish to feed them to maturity.

There's a lot of shit ton of algaes blooming due to climate change. Wonder if that can be sourced as protein / feed.

A lot of those algae are poisonous.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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post #14

I visited an experimental octopus farm in Hawaii once, expecting to come away feeling guilty about eating octopus since I had heard so much about how smart they are. It ended up having the opposite effect, since I learned that they only live 2 years and aren't social creatures. This is opposite of every other intelligent creature that we know of, and so I'm extremely skeptical of claims of their intelligence. They mi…

Not all "intelligent" animals are very social. Adult ravens, for example, tend to prefer being solo or at most in mated pairs (not a hard rule). Hell, many humans prefer being alone much of the time. Some dolphin individuals prefer the company of humans to their own species: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6349760/

Animal sociality is a whole gradient, really, with differences both between species and between individuals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociality

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