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How iTunes Is Changing on PC

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Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#151

As long as I can still move pictures from wife's phone. Still, this is such an annoying change. As in, Itunes on PC always sucked, but it did not occur to me that Apple would want to actively make it worse. edit: This reminds me. Wasn't there a FOSS project that has most of Itunes functionality?

> edit: This reminds me. Wasn't there a FOSS project that has most of Itunes functionality?

What is that functionnality? If it is about playing audio, there are tons of apps for that.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#152
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It's strange that Apple keep this Windows software around. Is there really a lot of people on Windows that actually use this?

I think the Windows client will live as long as the iTunes Store.

Which I was sort of more confident about when it seemed to just be in a forgotten corner of Apple somewhere just ticking along. Now it's clear someone has come up with a strategy™, I think there's more risk they might screw with both to push people into subscription services, and I can't help but see an iTunes Store shutdown as being the beginning of the end for digital music sales.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#153
post #150

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As someone who generally hates Apple, I actually enjoyed iTunes on Windows in the ~2007-2012 era when I had to use it to manage my iPod Touch (and second one a friend gave me, since I ran out of space on the first, spreading the MLPMusicArchive across both). Performed fine on my somewhat-potato laptops, had a nice interface and search function, got the job done syncing the iPods. I never got the big deal about iTunes…

Huh, that's exactly when I had to interface with iTunes and remember disliking it. It was horribly non native to the point that both it and Safari (which had a windows port in those days) ported the Apple font rendering which stuck out like a sore thumb. Performance was also bad compared to Windows Media Player, never mind Foobar2000 etc. And for syncing, the non apple devices just let you copy the files onto them as…

> And for syncing, the non apple devices just let you copy the files onto them as USB Mass Storage devices, only the iPod needed special software.

Loved me some Creative Zen MICRO. I'm sure there were better competitors but it's what I had. There was a tiny 1" mechanical HDD in it with a compact flash interface. The drive is now part of my office desk flare. A real conversation starter.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#154

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I disagree. It is nice to have separate apps for Music, Podcasts and audiobooks. You know, do one thing well. Spotfiy tries to do all of these and it's a bloated mess.

All are just...audio files.

> All are just...audio files.

I think that's overly reductive.

They have different kinds of metadata, distribution mechanisms, and ideal UIs.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#155
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Messy branding is now par for the course at Apple. The iPad line alone is something out of a Dell catalog: iPad, iPad 10thgen, iPad Air, iPad Mini, iPad Pro.

The only one that really sticks out as odd there is the 10th gen. Basic, Air, Pro is also their laptop lineup, right—it has been for quite a while, and nobody has complained. Mini seems like a reasonable and easy to interpret addition give tablet use-cases. I’m guessing the 10th gen is the one with the super long support lifetime or something like that? That’s a slightly weird iPad-ism.

The issue with the Mini is that you'd usually expect it to be the budget option (since it has a smaller screen), but it's more of an Air with a smaller screen in terms of hardware and features, with a price to match.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#156

I hope ability to get photos off iPhones is improved. I can NEVER get it to fully work for more than a few pictures. I know we are supposed to sync them to the cloud now but it's nice to be able to put them on the big drive on the PC sometimes too.

It's only available on macOS, but I've been using the built in "Image Capture" app to do this. It's the only thing I've found that correctly handles all the photos and dumps them in a sensible way.

My process is:

* Connect iPhone to MacBook or similar

* Use Image Capture to dump all photos to a local directory in $HOME

* rsync the directory to my NAS

* Run a wrapper script around ExifTool [0] to sort the photos into folders

[0] https://exiftool.org/

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#157

I hope ability to get photos off iPhones is improved. I can NEVER get it to fully work for more than a few pictures. I know we are supposed to sync them to the cloud now but it's nice to be able to put them on the big drive on the PC sometimes too.

It's painful but I use Dropbox for precisely this use case. That reminds me, need to do another update!

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#158

The phrase “everything you needed to be entertained” is indicative of the biggest problem that I see with Apple today: a focus on consumerism and passive consumption. Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. It’s a very subtle difference, but it speaks to the attitude that Apple projects today. When was the last time the intersection with the humanities was mention…

And a presumption that if I want anything other than what they're giving me, it's me that's wrong.

Just like they did with the headphone jacks.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#159

The phrase “everything you needed to be entertained” is indicative of the biggest problem that I see with Apple today: a focus on consumerism and passive consumption. Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. It’s a very subtle difference, but it speaks to the attitude that Apple projects today. When was the last time the intersection with the humanities was mention…

> Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. This was (and is) also a blatant form of consumerism. I honestly don't see any difference in the negative effects on this outside of going through apple rather than my local FYE.

iTunes started as a free utility for organizing and playing mp3s for mac users, then Windows support was added. For the first few years you couldn't even spend money on it if you wanted, then they added the iTunes store without removing any functionality, and still charged nothing.

What it is now is absolutely blatant consumerism, but you are misremembering what iTunes originally was.

Re: How iTunes Is Changing on PC

#160

> If you don’t install Apple Music or Apple TV, you can continue to use iTunes for all your media. … so why would I install either of those? What’s actually changing if I only have iTunes installed?

This. I've got iTunes 12.13 installed on my PC and everything works in exactly the same way that it always has.
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