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Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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I think the end goal of self driving cars is simply to let people do something else than drive. Safety is only a condition for this to happen.

There is a better solution for that: Public transportation.

It being a better solution is your opinion and not one a large number of people agree with. I for one taking hate public transportation and avoid it at all costs.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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There is no public transportation that can bring me home after saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home in a little town. There is no such public transportation even during the day unless I want to spend 2 to 3 hours on a mix of metro, train and bus. And I don't have many choices about the time to leave. You could say that it's flawed to live in the countryside and/or ha…

There isn’t in the US, dominated by urban design built for cars, but in many societies it’s entirely possible to have drinks until late and then safely get home via transit.

No there isnt. You didn’t even read the comment and jumped to a political attack on the US out of habit which is very common from the types that vehemently support public transit

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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There is a better solution for that: Public transportation.

> Public transportation > Safety Pick one. Danger doesn't come only from other vehicles.

No idea why the downvotes. In my city (Seattle) there has been a dozen violent attacks in the last few months ranging from a couple being beaten with a hammer, a stabbing to a gun shooting. You aren’t likely to be beaten with a hammer while driving your own car that’s for sure

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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There isn’t in the US, dominated by urban design built for cars, but in many societies it’s entirely possible to have drinks until late and then safely get home via transit.

>saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home in a little town I doubt there are a lot of places where you're replacing that scenario with public transit.

...but it's certainly feasible. I've been on the 1am to Abergavenny from Cardiff, and no-one on that train is in any state to drive.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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I can drive to work in twelve minutes. If I humor the premise of a bus that stops in front of my home and also my workplace, which is unlikely to ever exist no matter how much money is thrown at public transit, it would still take several times longer than driving myself because there are numerous other homes and businesses between which the bus would stop at. Using a bus would mean I have to wake up earlier, and the…

If you can drive in 12 minutes surely the walk itself isn't that long. Public transport is never going to be able to compete over a short distance. I used to commute 1.5 hours each way on the train from Wollongong to Sydney. The alternative drive takes the same or longer, depending on traffic. Hundreds and hundreds of people do this trip every day (and the equivalent from Newcastle). Another period of my life was liv…

Public transportation cannot compete over long distances either as they stop dropping people off anywhere close to home once you leave the city. They are only able to complete within a city at medium range where they special lanes.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

#596

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I think the end goal of self driving cars is simply to let people do something else than drive. Safety is only a condition for this to happen.

There are other benefits of self driving cars. For example average utilization of a self driving car would be at least an order of magnitude greater than non-self driving one. Think about how much time a car spends parked and waiting to be used. With greater utilization we should have a lower absolute number of vehicles that are replaced more frequently. This would lead to less polluting and better maintained vehicle…

> How cool would it be to have the public transit of the future be a point to point

I don't really see any benefit to this being public transportation.

When people go out with their cars, they expect their car to be there when they are done. They expect to be able to stop at a store, buy some things, stop at another store and buy some more, leaving their first purchase in the car while they keep shopping.

Making this work is less "public transportation" and more "short term rental" like Car2Go. Which was a shitty service that I hated using.

If we get self driving cars, I am still personally going to want to buy my own, not rely on some public transportation fleet.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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You're making a classic is-ought fallacy here. Drunk, high, sleep deprived or "crazy wild aggressive reckless" human drivers ought not to exist, but they do, and thus it's absolutely fair to compared autonomous drivers against them.

If GP's mother switches from driving for herself to having Waymo drive for her, her risk of injury will increase . Therefore, if her goal is to avoid injury, it would be counterproductive for her to make that switch. That conclusion does not require any is-ought fallacy.

If your mother is a decent driver, then almost all the danger she faces while driving comes from other people being shitty.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t in the US, dominated by urban design built for cars, but in many societies it’s entirely possible to have drinks until late and then safely get home via transit.

>saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home in a little town I doubt there are a lot of places where you're replacing that scenario with public transit.

At least in New York you could make this work if your little town is on a metro north line. The last trains do leave after 1 AM I believe.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can drive to work in twelve minutes. If I humor the premise of a bus that stops in front of my home and also my workplace, which is unlikely to ever exist no matter how much money is thrown at public transit, it would still take several times longer than driving myself because there are numerous other homes and businesses between which the bus would stop at. Using a bus would mean I have to wake up earlier, and the…

If you can drive in 12 minutes surely the walk itself isn't that long. Public transport is never going to be able to compete over a short distance. I used to commute 1.5 hours each way on the train from Wollongong to Sydney. The alternative drive takes the same or longer, depending on traffic. Hundreds and hundreds of people do this trip every day (and the equivalent from Newcastle). Another period of my life was liv…

Lol it's 9 miles. The anti-car motte is "just put a little bit more funding into buses and it'll be great", but the indefensible subtext is that we also need to abandon our homes, our present communities, and get relocated into high density urban zones.

I've been there, done that. I used to commute from Philly to Radnor on SEPTA's regional rail. I like trains but the amount of time I burned every day on the train, let alone walking back and forth to the stations, was simply a waste of my life. Reading on the train is great and all but I'd rather have that free time at home.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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There is a better solution for that: Public transportation.

There is no public transportation that can bring me home after saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home in a little town. There is no such public transportation even during the day unless I want to spend 2 to 3 hours on a mix of metro, train and bus. And I don't have many choices about the time to leave. You could say that it's flawed to live in the countryside and/or ha…

> saying goodbye to friends at 1 AM in a big city and having to drive one hour to my home

Note that this solution would also constrain me to a life of teetotal evenings enviously watching my friends share a few pints.

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