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Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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At the risk of sounding glib, I don't think that's how most drug dealers in prison began dealing drugs. I could be way off, but the scenario he posits, wherein all hits mates are buying weed and he arbitrages, is probably not how most drug dealers come into operation, and certainly not how I suspect the prison-time crowd got into it.

It doesn't sound far off to me. My understanding is many start dealing to help support their habit and it grows from there. I don't have firsthand experience but I've had "friends in low places" so to speak. What do you propose as a more logical explanation and what is your theory based on? Thanks.

Particularly as it relates to imprisonment (meaning 'rural' dealers are less likely to be caught and imprisoned) - the average drug dealer in prison likely got into it out of necessity in one form or another.

In urban environments, drug dealers are more plentiful, work on slimmer margins and operate in a riskier environment. In more cases than not, the drug dealers that are dealing with enough volume to catch prison time are those attached to gangs, or out of necessity to stay above the poverty line.

The picture painted in the article, at least to me, is perhaps the most likely way for middle class white kids to end up in prison for drug dealing, but most drug sentences serious enough to involve prisons don't go to middle class white kids, they go to urban blacks.

This isn't to say that the numbers are right, or fair, or necessarily representative of how the real world works -- but if we're talking about people in prison, this is more likely.

Most of what I said speaks in anecdotal language, but here are some numbers to back me up: http://www.jrsa.org/ibrrc/using-data/data_quality/data_eleme...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't sound far off to me. My understanding is many start dealing to help support their habit and it grows from there. I don't have firsthand experience but I've had "friends in low places" so to speak. What do you propose as a more logical explanation and what is your theory based on? Thanks.

Particularly as it relates to imprisonment (meaning 'rural' dealers are less likely to be caught and imprisoned) - the average drug dealer in prison likely got into it out of necessity in one form or another. In urban environments, drug dealers are more plentiful, work on slimmer margins and operate in a riskier environment. In more cases than not, the drug dealers that are dealing with enough volume to catch prison…

Thank you and have an upvote. I do not know who is "right" but you certainly supported your position. I am in no position to argue it, but then that wasn't my intent anyway as I hate arguing. But I appreciate learning something new.

Have a great day.

Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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I wrote this in the comments on the article, but also wanted to share my thoughts with everyone here, please reply if you have something to say about what I'm about to say, this is one of the topics in life that I haven't finished making conclusions on, it is terribly complicated and I'd love feedback on my mental process. Thanks.

When someone goes to prison it's generally for a good reason, after the jury and trial and all that, it's safe to say then that these people forfeit their rights. That's what happens when you go against the rules of a society you belong to. I think everyone can agree with that. The trick is balance, sure it's not fair to blanket treat inmates all the same, however they cost us money to not just capitol-punishment the lot of them (a bad idea for moral reasons.) So they need to pay off their debt. But to go as far as to say they should be treated as if being away from everyone is their only punishment and that's already bad enough is a bit naive. Many people in prison did really bad things, like rape and murder, try telling the victims family in those cases that the inmate that killed their kid gets to get an education, a job, some savings for his release, cable TV, food, etc, etc. Tell them that and see what reaction you get.

To be completely fair they did bad things, we need to keep that in mind, also the cheap labor could be used to help society. Cheap furniture/clothing/household items, etc for low income families comes to mind.

I think the real solution is to be transparent about how much things cost, and we need to keep in mind that we can't allow for slave labor of prisoners just for those profits to go into CEO's pockets. If we are to do that then it needs to go to the potential rehabilitation of the inmate, and in dropping the costs so lower income people can save money on essentials that are made by inmates hands.

PS: This is definitely one of the most thought provoking articles relating to inmates I've read in a long time.

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The piece reminds me of something I saw once about an ex con who went straight and put his drug dealing experience on a resume. He wrote it up in business terms that he moved $100k worth of product per year, arranged shipments, scheduling, etc and did it all in secret . I don't recall what kind of work he did after he went straight but my impression is he was pretty successful.

Except that being an ex-con means that at some point his standard NDA must have been insufficient/unenforceable... Or he made a bad hire, or trusted the wrong people. Just sayin'.

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The piece reminds me of something I saw once about an ex con who went straight and put his drug dealing experience on a resume. He wrote it up in business terms that he moved $100k worth of product per year, arranged shipments, scheduling, etc and did it all in secret . I don't recall what kind of work he did after he went straight but my impression is he was pretty successful.

Except that being an ex-con means that at some point his standard NDA must have been insufficient/unenforceable... Or he made a bad hire, or trusted the wrong people. Just sayin'.

I do not understand why you would assert that. Anyone can make a mistake, ex con or not. So I don't follow your logic in tying the two things together. Do you think people simply cannot change?

Signed: Puzzled and curious.

Thanks.

Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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That's genius. Jet Blue's uses stay-at-home moms as their entire workforce of reservation agents. Productivity increased by 25% and employee turnover was reduced when they moved from call centers to homes.

Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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At the risk of sounding glib, I don't think that's how most drug dealers in prison began dealing drugs. I could be way off, but the scenario he posits, wherein all hits mates are buying weed and he arbitrages, is probably not how most drug dealers come into operation, and certainly not how I suspect the prison-time crowd got into it.

"How do you think they got in to it then? Trying not to sound snarky - I'm genuinely interested in what other route you see people taking into drug dealing." -, asked HN user djacksonkf in his dead comment. I think he is Duane Jackson, the author. He seems to be banned for some reason. Duane, you can create a new account in no time.

Reposting JIC you're using HNNotify: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3929733

While I'm at it, someone is free to recommend to me the appropriate etiquette for responding to the same question in multiple threads.

(I can't reply to the dead comment though.)

Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that being an ex-con means that at some point his standard NDA must have been insufficient/unenforceable... Or he made a bad hire, or trusted the wrong people. Just sayin'.

I do not understand why you would assert that. Anyone can make a mistake, ex con or not. So I don't follow your logic in tying the two things together. Do you think people simply cannot change? Signed: Puzzled and curious. Thanks.

Seems to me that he's saying it's obvious he didn't do a good job at not getting caught considering he got caught. Nothing really about people not being able to change. I may be wrong though, but hopefully that clarifies.

Re: Entrepreneurs in Prison

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First, it's prison. So, y'know, punishment on some level. In addition to rehabilitation. So my gut reaction is that I'd rather see more educational programs going on. Especially since a lot of "entrepreneurship" is really just either scammy behavior or flat-out fantasy (my start-up's the next Facebook!). Especially when the education isn't in place. That said, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. But, as a tax-payer…

I had a friend in prison some years ago. He said the worst thing wan there was nothing to do. Most people slept 12+ hours a day & when they got out they couldn't adjust. So yeah, I feel any productive activity is a damn good idea.

Hmmm... Instant brainstorm mode... What startup ideas involving prisoners can we think of?

Maybe some kind of Mechanical Turk esque web site where their earnings get paid out to them upon release?

Or some kind of Learnable tailored to inmates?

Any ideas, people? :)

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