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Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cozzyd wrote: post #279
fallingknife wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what the relevance of the pedestrian is because he far outside the path of travel for the car at the time he hit the bike.

most states require you to stop as long as a pedestrian is in the cross-walk (one of the many traffic rules that most drivers disregard).

Some states have a half rule. Or a rule that as long as the pedestrian hasn’t passed your car yet, you need to stop. I’m not even clear what my state (Washington) follows ATM:

> (1) The operator of an approaching vehicle shall stop and remain stopped to allow a pedestrian, bicycle, or personal delivery device to cross the roadway within an unmarked or marked crosswalk when the pedestrian, bicycle, or personal delivery device is upon or within one lane of the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning. For purposes of this section “half of the roadway” means all traffic lanes carrying traffic in one direction of travel, and includes the entire width of a one-way roadway.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by alvah »

armada651 wrote: post #251
soraki_soladead wrote: post #204

Agree that's not a great look for the supervisor. Cyclists have a bad rep in SF because many (not all) ride quite dangerously. It's a common sight to see cyclists running four-way stop signs and lights without even yielding. I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cyclist fails to yield nearly hourly. Meanwhile, Waymo has millions of incident-free miles and of all the self-driving car compa…

> Cyclists have a bad rep in SF because many (not all) ride quite dangerously. Cycling in the US is almost by definition riding dangerously, since there are very few places with actual safe bicycle infrastructure. This is a self-selecting pressure, because it means that the only cyclists that actually dare to cycle in the city are risk-takers. > I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cycli…

"> I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cyclist fails to yield nearly hourly.

You can blame the cyclist or perhaps a four-way stop with a nearly hourly cyclist incident needs to be redesigned."

Or, bear with me here, just maybe the cyclists failing to yield is kind of the big issue here?

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by Animats »

The intersection: [1] Simple 4-way uncontrolled intersection, 4-way stop, bike lanes on three streets. No obvious occlusion problems.

Not enough info in the reports to tell who was going which way.

[1] https://earth.google.com/web/search/17th+and+Mississippi+San...

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by midtake »

soraki_soladead wrote: post #204

Agree that's not a great look for the supervisor. Cyclists have a bad rep in SF because many (not all) ride quite dangerously. It's a common sight to see cyclists running four-way stop signs and lights without even yielding. I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cyclist fails to yield nearly hourly. Meanwhile, Waymo has millions of incident-free miles and of all the self-driving car compa…

Because stopping with 4000-lb cars lined up behind you is safer?

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Post by shuckles »

alvah wrote: post #282
armada651 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cyclists have a bad rep in SF because many (not all) ride quite dangerously. Cycling in the US is almost by definition riding dangerously, since there are very few places with actual safe bicycle infrastructure. This is a self-selecting pressure, because it means that the only cyclists that actually dare to cycle in the city are risk-takers. > I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cycli…

"> I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cyclist fails to yield nearly hourly. You can blame the cyclist or perhaps a four-way stop with a nearly hourly cyclist incident needs to be redesigned." Or, bear with me here, just maybe the cyclists failing to yield is kind of the big issue here?

No it’s not. AB122 passed the legislature to legalize the California roll for cyclists, because coming to a full stop at a stop sign makes no sense for riders with high visibility. Newsom vetoed it for stupid culture war reasons. It’s a law that doesn’t make sense so it’s not a big issue if it isn’t followed.

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

soraki_soladead wrote: post #204

Agree that's not a great look for the supervisor. Cyclists have a bad rep in SF because many (not all) ride quite dangerously. It's a common sight to see cyclists running four-way stop signs and lights without even yielding. I live adjacent to a four-way stop and there's an incident where a cyclist fails to yield nearly hourly. Meanwhile, Waymo has millions of incident-free miles and of all the self-driving car compa…

Even with a cyclist disregarding the law, it shouldn't be possible for a law abiding autonomous vehicle to collide with anything if it had confirmed the intersection was clear of traffic. Seems like it assumes an unoccupied slot behind trucks that won't always be true. What if this was a T-intersection where a cyclist wasn't obligated to stop?

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by shuckles »

fprog wrote: post #144
ra7 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have no reason to release it to the public. They don’t want to set a precedent. They will show the video to the regulators (CA DMV) and if they’re not happy, they will take action. It’s regulation working as intended.

Public trust is a pretty good reason.

It’s a motivated audience in San Francisco. Data will not change their mind.

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Post by al_borland »

aetch wrote: post #98
al_borland wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If computers are so good at this, why am I (a human) asked to identify bicycles and motorcycles to train these computers when confronted with a captcha? A human needs far less training and can identify a person on a bike without ever seeing an actual bike. They can also infer what is likely to happen based on a lot of context clues. Even if an event doesn’t seem likely, I can still prepare. For example, if I see kids…

The computers don’t need you to do captchas anymore. The captchas are just solved problems being used to slow down bots and spammers these days.

Are they though?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37160744

Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say

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Post by stevebmark »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #185

I'm disappointed in all the folks immediately blaming the cyclist without further information, and I'm similarly disappointed in all the folks blaming Waymo for the same reason. But, unless they somehow have extra information we're not privy to, I'm much more disappointed in the S.F. Supervisor quoted in the article, Shamann Walton, for immediately going online to say "so much for safety." Us internet weenies are alw…

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