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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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You can communicate, even in difficult situations, sincerely, genuinely, and truthfully, while providing good leadership. That is a manager's job description, effectively.

That’s only theory. In reality, people who spin everything in a positive light survive longer in a big organization.

It appears that Pichai's survival is at odds with the company's.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I'm hoping they're building a commodity AR/VR operating system -- essentially spatial Android. They've already announced a partnership with Samsung and Qualcomm so I've got to imagine some interesting hardware is coming soon.

It's an interesting test for them. Essentially, it's a free hit - low expectations, few constraints, lots of latitude to throw out prior work, open ended opportunity to be creative and innovate, a clear baseline provided by Apple for them to benchmark success against and little to no regulatory scrutiny. Basically, one of the few opportunities they will ever got for a zero baggage, green field project where, if they actually have the talent and the will power, they could hit something out of the park. Will they do it? Will they not?

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Google is printing more money than ever before.

Google could likely fire 1000s more and it wouldn’t change their trajectory.

Same with Meta, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon etc.

Their core businesses are massive empires.

They can make so many stupid mistakes, hire inept layers of management and still cash billions.

They can randomly fire 5% of their workforce with roll of dice. There is enough redundancy and resilience that they’ll bounce back.

We, the average working joes are bound by gravity. We can escape into space, but with immense force and spice of luck. We have to work for money.

Mega trillion corporations are like black holes. They curve space time so hard, money works for them.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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I'm hoping they're building a commodity AR/VR operating system -- essentially spatial Android. They've already announced a partnership with Samsung and Qualcomm so I've got to imagine some interesting hardware is coming soon.

Considering they just gutted their AR team I wouldn’t hold my breath on this one. Too bad they couldn’t wait for Apple to launch the Vision Pro, because I bet they’d get a lot more excitement now that the press is out.

Seems likely the team was gutted specifically because they are refocusing on a new strategy.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

Thanks, haven't used GCE in nearly a decade, might give it another shot.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #11

Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

designing a new music app and/or chat app every 2 years sounds pretty fun

Seeing your work get canned is not fun.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #93

(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

> Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. How would the existence of LLMs make "classic" web search worse ? SEO spam and content farms cluttering the first results page has been going on for longer too. > Services like Gmail/gsuite are awesome for productivity and while they lag in shiny features, the teams are adding features quickly enough. Google Docs has some of the most cur…

I just saw a markdown mode show up today, but only partially, like bold and italics in markdown

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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The reason the word "inept" keeps coming up is just how opaque and senseless to the rank and file the January 2023 layoffs were. High performers, low performers, newest hires, most tenure: we saw all kinds of heads roll. I saw a team lose its sole TL with a decade+ of tenure on the team, then turn around and hire 4-6 people to try and catch up. A growing deployment team was actively hiring before and after it got a 6…

> I saw a team lose its sole TL with a decade+ of tenure on the team, then turn around and hire 4-6 people to try and catch up.

My god.. That's pure ineptitude and I'm sorry for anyone at that company right now. This basically sends the message "doesn't matter how good you are, we're going to spin the wheel every so often and if it lands on you you're out"

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Firing people actually helps raising a stock price [0]. 0 - https://money.com/tech-layoffs-affect-stock-prices/

Raising stock price makes so many people happy than firing a few wealthy individuals does some small harm for the greater good of many. /s

> so many people

Meaning shares holders, of course.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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> what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has at least 5000 engineers worth of interesting work. Chrome has a pretty advanced javascript engine and cutting edge security features. Android, which is sorta-kinda open source. Youtube's pretty much the only place that serves working 4k video. The self-…

> Gmail was great when it launched; nothing's really surpassed it, and they've largely avoided fucking it up. Mail client. Relational data best formatted in a tabular style. Takes 5-10 seconds to load. Avoided fucking it up, huh.

Exactly.

I've been using the HTML version (https://mail.google.com/mail/h/) but now they're threatening to shut it down too. First it was January, now February. I wonder why it's still up but don't have hopes that it'll stay up for long.

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