I would love to hear some stats on how many car/bike collisions happen every day in SF.
Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
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#32I looked up the cited street in street view- there are stop signs in all 4 directions. I look forward to the full accident report, but from the evidence available it sounds like the cyclist didn’t stop at the sign appropriately.
Are you implying that we shouldn't be concerned about automated vehicles hitting cyclists if the cyclist wasn't following the lawn to the letter?
According to the Waymo description, the cyclist was behind a truck, and not visible to the Waymo car.
If that's true, then a human driver likely would've done the same thing: take its turn at the stop sign.
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
very surprising that Waymo would describe the accident in terms that blame the other party
Why? If you don’t follow the rules of the road the cyclist is to blame. Now what Waymo needs to do to avoid this in the future is a whole other discussion…
Waymo needs to do nothing to avoid this in the future if their vehicle was following the rules of the road and the cyclist did not.
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#34or maybe, Cyclist Hits Waymo
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#35> According to Waymo, the company’s vehicle fully stopped at a four-way intersection before proceeding into the intersection as a large truck was driving through in the opposite direction. “The cyclist was occluded by the truck and quickly followed behind it, crossing into the Waymo vehicle’s path,” the company said in a statement. “When they became fully visible, our vehicle applied heavy braking but was not able to…
It is pretty common to see people go from the opposite side of a stop sign since it's "safe", even if it happens to be against the rules. I can understand how the Waymo AI would end up being configured to do this. Hopefully they amend that based on this incident.
> It is pretty common to see people go from the opposite side of a stop sign since it's "safe", even if it happens to be against the rules.
Where is it against the rules?
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#36I wouldn’t be surprised if the cyclist blew through the stop sign as is incredibly common.
It's also arguably safer for the cyclist to do so. Bikes typically accelerate much slower than cars.
It can be safer, but it's definitely not safer to do this if you're right behind a big truck that blocks other cars from seeing you.
There's a right way to Idaho stop, and this ain't it.
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#37So the scenario (as described by waymo, surely with some spin): "Driving through a 4 way intersection, while a large truck is also going through the intersection. As you go through, a biker quickly passes behind the truck with minimal time to react once in sightlines." A human driver would take significantly longer to react, and could be deadly. Waymo managed to hit the breaks before the collision, potentially leadin…
> What I hope Waymo learbx for this, as well applies as similar scenarios: never cross through these zones of high bike traffic when the obstruction from another vehicle prevents a wide enough view to brake before this zone. This might be fair, but at some point, if you are applying this consistent level of caution, there isn't going to be anywhere in the real world left to actually drive
Yes. I appreciate the political reasons for wanting zero accidents, but fewer, less deadly accidents than if a human were behind the wheel is what the goal really should be.
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#38I would love to hear some stats on how many car/bike collisions happen every day in SF.
Prior to the pandemic an average of 1.4 bike accidents per day - https://www.mjqlaw.com/san-francisco-2022-bicycle-accident-s...
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#39Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#40>Waymo personnel called police.
well at least the industry has learned something from the cruise incident.