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As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by zmgsabst »

shiroiuma wrote: post #5
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #2

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So you think everyone should just allow Russia to take over any country it wants?

No — but perhaps we could have negotiated a peace during a conference at Minsk a decade ago or in Feb 2022 at the outbreak of hostilities, rather than frantically send Boris Johnson to subvert it.

Russia has consistently angled for Ukraine to be a neutral border between two blocs to facilitate trade — and that clearly would have been better for Ukraine than a senseless slaughter which destroyed a generation, by maiming or killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

But that wouldn’t have satisfied warhawks like Victoria Nuland and the geriatric Cold Warriors (TM) who are intent on their senile, unhinged drive to destroy Russia as a nation.

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by Dig1t »

morkalork wrote: post #8
jmyeet wrote: post #6

This reminds me of the excellent series "Blueprint for Armageddon" in Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast [1]. It's about the First World War. WWI tends to get less attention than WW2 and while there are good reasons why we focus on the atrocities of WW2, in some ways WWI was far more devastating. The artillery production mentioned here reminds me of how scales changed from the beginning to the end of the war. At t…

And now in Ukraine FPV kamikaze drones have gone from a makeshift novelty to the government aiming to produce 1M in 2024: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-produce-million...

I saw a video of these things in action killing somebody on the battlefield, it was truly disgusting. Seeing videos like that has made me feel like I don’t care who wins the conflict anymore, it just needs to come to an end.

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by iso8859-1 »

schainks wrote: post #4
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #2

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All of us tech people have the military to thank for the creation of this industry, lest anyone forgets.

What do you mean? The first computer (the Antikythera mechanism) had nothing to do with the military.

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

Dig1t wrote: post #13
morkalork wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now in Ukraine FPV kamikaze drones have gone from a makeshift novelty to the government aiming to produce 1M in 2024: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-produce-million...

I saw a video of these things in action killing somebody on the battlefield, it was truly disgusting. Seeing videos like that has made me feel like I don’t care who wins the conflict anymore, it just needs to come to an end.

Watch some of the clips of the Bucha massacre of innocent civilians and I hope you will reassess. The war is brutal, but a bad "peace" could be worse.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008299178/u...

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by consumer451 »

zmgsabst wrote: post #11
shiroiuma wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think everyone should just allow Russia to take over any country it wants?

No — but perhaps we could have negotiated a peace during a conference at Minsk a decade ago or in Feb 2022 at the outbreak of hostilities, rather than frantically send Boris Johnson to subvert it. Russia has consistently angled for Ukraine to be a neutral border between two blocs to facilitate trade — and that clearly would have been better for Ukraine than a senseless slaughter which destroyed a generation, by maimi…

Let me skip over a bunch of your points and just get to the end.

Would any of your theoretical compromises have satisfied the Cold Warriors in the Kremlin? These people literally believe that NATO is coming to invade Moscow. How do you negotiate with someone who lives in a place so disconnected from reality?

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by cycrutchfield »

zmgsabst wrote: post #11
shiroiuma wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think everyone should just allow Russia to take over any country it wants?

No — but perhaps we could have negotiated a peace during a conference at Minsk a decade ago or in Feb 2022 at the outbreak of hostilities, rather than frantically send Boris Johnson to subvert it. Russia has consistently angled for Ukraine to be a neutral border between two blocs to facilitate trade — and that clearly would have been better for Ukraine than a senseless slaughter which destroyed a generation, by maimi…

Ah yes, the good old “The West made us do it!” defense.

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #14
schainks wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of us tech people have the military to thank for the creation of this industry, lest anyone forgets.

What do you mean? The first computer (the Antikythera mechanism) had nothing to do with the military.

I think this is in reference to how important the defense industry has been to Silicon Valley in particular. For example, Steve Blank has this lecture on the Secret History of Silicon Valley

https://steveblank.com/secret-history/

Re: As much as you ever wanted to know about 155M artillery shell production

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Post by consumer451 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9
tiku wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our continent was free of war for a long time, never would have guessed Russia would attack something almost European. With asshole countries like that, we need it. And then we wonder why the alien's won't show themselves haha.

I knew a Ukrainian who said he would go back to fight when Russia invaded. This was in 1997, before Putin took power.

I agree. You can’t necessarily blame all this on Putin because Russian imperialism goes back for centuries.
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