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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #26

Its amazing that the CEO of Google is still there after wholesale wrecking of developer trust over many many years.

Google is still making money every quarter. Doubt they will get rid of him.

They are going to be left behind once enough capable people leave.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Failure is growth. Failure is learning. But sometimes failure is just failure. I think... I'm sorry. I didn't think it would be this hard. But goodbyes are always hard, especially when I am the one saying goodbye. Today, effective immediately, I, Gavin Belson, founder and CEO of Hooli, am forced to officially say goodbye to the entire Nucleus division. All Nucleus personnel will be given proper notice and terminated. But make no mistake. Though they're the ones leaving, it is I who must remain and bear the heavy burden of their failure.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #34
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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

How do projects that get canned after a short time benefit the CVs of the managers who launched them? Serious question.

Plenty of projects don't get launched to begin with. The ability to "launch" a project is looked at favorably in general. Maybe too favorable, but that's another discussion. If you are someone who is known to be able to deliver a "launch" that's big on your CV in most companies. Believe it or not, in big companies many project never quite reach a minimal viable product status to begin with.

Moreover, the canning of a project might have plethora of reasons, not all of them are even technical or have anything to reflect on the people that worked on it.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #20

Google does plenty of stuff well, but what's their last big exciting new product or even new feature? Bard is good but they're chasing OpenAI. Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung. Or YouTube Shorts and Tiktok. It all seems directionless or stagnant, like the bad old days of Microsoft.

> Same story with the Pixel phones and Samsung Market share wise but not feature wise. Everyone is chasing them in regards to photo quality.

A bit out of the loop here... who are you saying has the better photo quality now, Pixel or Samsung?

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #49
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do projects that get canned after a short time benefit the CVs of the managers who launched them? Serious question.

To my understanding a lot of these managers aren't sticking with the product too far after launch, they're often moving on internally to the next thing. So these managers get to say they were responsible for launching something new, and get to wash their hands of what happens after. You'd think after all this time senior management, both internal and external, would see through this charade, but that is not apparentl…

Its hard to see through the charade you got promoted for yourself.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #37
post #11

Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I know a lot of investors are excited about Waymo, so I assume the executives are as well. I don't have any insight into what the experience is like on the actual engineering team, though.

waymo isn't part of google

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #61
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is still making money every quarter. Doubt they will get rid of him.

They are going to be left behind once enough capable people leave.

Public markets are not known for combining ten-year-long outlooks with deep domain knowledge. In fact that's the two things they're best known for lacking! (P.S. They've already been left behind by whatever Kagi is doing to filter out LLM garbage.)

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #39

"Decisions went from being made for the benefit of users, to the benefit of Google, to the benefit of whoever was making the decision." This is definitely a small-to-large company pattern I've observed

At least from my perspective it’s just the relentless pursuit of driving stock prices up
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