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Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by mpol »

vilunov wrote: post #103
rujkking wrote: post #94

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You think a throw back Win 95 clones with UNIX-like internals is what modern users want? We’ve moved on from “back in my day, the 80s…” computer UI nostalgia to 90s it seems. 10 more years we’ll have Mac OSX Snow Leopard clone project get abandoned (have had a lot of young Millennials and older GenZ hackers talk it up at me as peak computing) Just because they’re not grumpy doesn’t mean they aren’t nostalgia driven i…

We haven't improved much since Win 95 in terms of desktop OS UI/UX. Could you remember any substantial UI improvements between Win 95 and Win 11? Local search, improved UAC and a shitload of ads.

A few things that pop up for me:

1. Tabs in browser and other applications.

2. Font rendering, hinting, anti-aliasing and subpixel rendering. Together with high-resolution screens for more people.

3. Better multi-threading for applications. Back in the day, one application crashes and everything is stuck. Improvements here are part of user experience, though not directly UI.

4. Less crashing and vague errors in my experience, much more refined software (if you pick your choices right).

5. Smooth audio and video, together with much better support for codecs out of the box.

6. Better plug-and-play, no internal isa cards anymore, external all usb or similar.

7. Many more options for free software and gratis software, but choices for commercial still exist.

8. App stores which makes discovery and installation easier for users.

That many things have turned for the worse, does not mean there are no things that turned better.

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by quantum2022 »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #59
drannex wrote: post #50

Figured I would write this here, but I would scratch the concept of a file system and replace it with a database.

I would like to scrap the idea of a file and replace it with an object. If it's a "file" it just regurgitates it's contents, but it could also return aspects of itself, decrypt itself, stream from an offscreen resource. Just let them be smart, and what we know as sending "files" would just become object serialisation.

I'm curious of what the fully developed OS will look like for spatial computing if that's what we're calling it now. I think it will have to be built on old methods people are familiar with, like 'clicking' on something with their finger or hand, but I'm fascinated to see when someone is reading the paper newspaper and wants more detail, so they click on the 'link' (ie word/phrase) in the paper and their headset brings up a website with more detail on what they're reading. It could even be older books without any specially marked keywords or anything, as in the physical world would stay exactly the same. Perhaps with people looking at a building and 'clicking' on the building could bring up the tax map or contact info for the building, etc. As time goes by the building would be viewed from all sides, making it a truly 3D model, so you could click on it from any side. An OS on the past with the physical, based on the past with the web, but with the future integrated. I am truly excited to see this built out over the next few years.

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by rujkking »

nirvdrum wrote: post #120
rujkking wrote: post #94

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You think a throw back Win 95 clones with UNIX-like internals is what modern users want? We’ve moved on from “back in my day, the 80s…” computer UI nostalgia to 90s it seems. 10 more years we’ll have Mac OSX Snow Leopard clone project get abandoned (have had a lot of young Millennials and older GenZ hackers talk it up at me as peak computing) Just because they’re not grumpy doesn’t mean they aren’t nostalgia driven i…

You're more than free to do with your own time what you wish. These projects aren't harming you in any way. Who cares what enthusiasts want to do for fun? They're not trying to supplant the OS on your desktop. They're learning something and having fun doing it. I love these sorts of projects. In contrast, many of us treat computers as a magic black box. The abstraction is great for productively building web apps. But…

My concern is more so that this project will burn up real resources and be abandoned.

You’re highlighting how subjective things can be and I don’t disagree.

What isn’t subjective is the generations of the 1900s are the first to leave behind an existential threat driven by wasteful economic choices and they seem to be indifferent to doing so just to have fun.

Myself and lot of other software engineers I have worked with feel our jobs are meaningless; the future won’t care about these technologies. They’re hardly regenerative medicine or something so life changing daily life itself is improved forever like indoor plumbing and electricity.

But we feel captured by nostalgia for this work and form of economics, and apathy for a whole lot of people who will be dead before climate change is real problem

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by rujkking »

zettabomb wrote: post #134
rujkking wrote: post #125

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Yeah it’s not cool either though :-/ And I mean from my reference you (and the downvoters) just complained about someone having a different opinion than yours so shrug

It's not complaining about having a different opinion, it's that the way you present it is vitriolic. It doesn't matter (at least to me) if you don't like the project or don't see the point. There's just no reason to insult and demean the project and its creators.

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Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by rujkking »

meepmorp wrote: post #149
rujkking wrote: post #125

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Yeah it’s not cool either though :-/ And I mean from my reference you (and the downvoters) just complained about someone having a different opinion than yours so shrug

> and the downvoters I only downvoted you for whining about downvotes.

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Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by slater »

rujkking wrote: post #155
meepmorp wrote: post #149

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> and the downvoters I only downvoted you for whining about downvotes.

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It's also specifically mentioned in the HN guidelines:

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by brcmthrowaway »

josephg wrote: post #2

I'm increasingly tempted to try my hand at making a toy OS - or at least a kernel. There's a few things I desperately want an operating system to do: 1. Have either database-like transactions or (at a minimum) write barriers for file operations. The current filesystem semantics are terrible for databases and other applications which need to not corrupt their data after a crash. fsync() is too heavy, because you can't…

This seems a total waste of time when you could be learning LLMs

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by lobf »

rujkking wrote: post #94
cedws wrote: post #75

Serenity is one of the only recent OS projects that I think has any potential. It's a very high velocity, high quality project and I think that's down to the community culture Andreas has fostered. They aren't a load of fuddy-duddies who insist on using mailing lists and IRC. Nobody wants to collaborate with a load of grumpy greybeards.

You think a throw back Win 95 clones with UNIX-like internals is what modern users want? We’ve moved on from “back in my day, the 80s…” computer UI nostalgia to 90s it seems. 10 more years we’ll have Mac OSX Snow Leopard clone project get abandoned (have had a lot of young Millennials and older GenZ hackers talk it up at me as peak computing) Just because they’re not grumpy doesn’t mean they aren’t nostalgia driven i…

I still think Snow Leopard was the peak OS

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by rujkking »

slater wrote: post #156
rujkking wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's also specifically mentioned in the HN guidelines: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

There’s also a bunch there about how targeting others and posting complaints about others makes for uninteresting reading so avoid it

Just saying

Re: Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022)

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Post by CrimsonCape »

spankalee wrote: post #78
morphle wrote: post #74

“An operating system is a collection of things that don’t fit inside a programming language; there shouldn’t be one” - Dan Ingalls 1981

That's a really terrible definition that dates from before multitasking, GUIs, and window systems and desktops.

I have a bucket list to jailbreak my iphone and build a ground-up OS that's just a CLI.
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