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Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by Arathorn »

sph wrote: post #119
uoaei wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you elaborate? What makes it bad?

The most used client, Element, is somehow worse that the Discord electron client, believe it or not. My experience of joining Matrix channels is through sluggish and clunky UI that makes me want to tear my hair out. I would reconsider if there was a half-decent TUI client that doesn't have 250ms latency to send a bloody plaintext message on a top-shelf Linux workstation. Is it that hard to make it run as smooth as mI…

agreed that Element Web is clunky, although we’re working on it. Perhaps try https://github.com/ulyssa/iamb or weechat-matrix for your TUI? Or if on macOS, Element X is a pleasure to use as a truly native GUI client.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by bifrost »

swozey wrote: post #113
bifrost wrote: post #90

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Which server?

That's super identifying of a nickname I used when i was 8-16 that would have IRC logs all over the internet so I won't be passing that on, sorry. God knows what stupid shit I said back then. I still use the domains from back then.

ah ok. I was just curious if we knew eachother back then.

I have the sneaking suspicion that I know your handle but I won't share lol. Feel free to email me or something.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by robobro »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #74
robobro wrote: post #27

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Mastodon? Do you mean Fediverse / Activitypub? No one should call IRC "mirc", email "outlook", or the web "chrome", come on bro.

It is routinely called Mastodon. Your response is a fantastic example of why nerd communities suck.

Nerd communities, you mean reddit?

Mastodon is like the Internet Explorer of Activitypub software. It's what a lot of people think is fediverse. But developers and power users prefer Firefox and have many valid reasons to dislike Internet Explorer.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by sph »

Arathorn wrote: post #121
sph wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most used client, Element, is somehow worse that the Discord electron client, believe it or not. My experience of joining Matrix channels is through sluggish and clunky UI that makes me want to tear my hair out. I would reconsider if there was a half-decent TUI client that doesn't have 250ms latency to send a bloody plaintext message on a top-shelf Linux workstation. Is it that hard to make it run as smooth as mI…

agreed that Element Web is clunky, although we’re working on it. Perhaps try https://github.com/ulyssa/iamb or weechat-matrix for your TUI? Or if on macOS, Element X is a pleasure to use as a truly native GUI client.

Cheers, I might give iamb a go.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by Doxin »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #19
swozey wrote: post #14

I was an ircop on efnet for like half my childhood until they figured out I wasn't 18 and desynced my server. I just could never go back to IRC. I stopped using it probably 15 years ago or more after using it for 20ish years. Got my first job on it, learned linux and networking through it, definitely propelled my career. TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like…

You hit the nail on the head when it comes to why people don't use IRC anymore. Missing messages because you're not online is simply unacceptable to today's audience, and running a bouncer is too technical for most folks. Using a shared bouncer like IRCCloud isn't feasible since they get abused and the entire provider often gets banned. I still use IRC (For nearly 30 years now!) and am in a channel that is still high…

> Missing messages because you're not online is simply unacceptable to today's audience

It's my favorite feature. I want to chat with friends, not have a second job I need to catch up with.

> It's actually kind of appalling from a security perspective to expose users' IP addresses. I'm genuinely surprised that the major IRC networks still don't hide them. Sure, it'd break things like DCC, but would prevent DDoS attacks against fellow users.

Hostname cloaking is a pretty standard feature these days, you just generally have to ask for it to be turned on which is a bit odd. Doesn't break DCC either because DCC negotiates what your IP is directly with your client afaik. NAT is generally the thing that breaks DCC.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by Doxin »

creatonez wrote: post #22
swozey wrote: post #14

I was an ircop on efnet for like half my childhood until they figured out I wasn't 18 and desynced my server. I just could never go back to IRC. I stopped using it probably 15 years ago or more after using it for 20ish years. Got my first job on it, learned linux and networking through it, definitely propelled my career. TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like…

> TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. This is prevalent in everything like discord etc but the degree to it in IRC is just ridiculous god knows what any of those 1500 bots in a channel are doing. These sorts of bots are quite rare on Discord, you usually have to make an account to be able to see anything. There have been attempts at standardizing this (like https://www.answeroverflow.com/ ) bu…

Honestly as far as drama goes the whole Lee thing went pretty smooth. News of a takeover went through the network, most people went with a "wait-and-see" approach. Lee tried replacing channel ops, people got upset, Libera was already up and running at this point. Most channels switched without much incident. Freenode largely evaporated into thin air as both users and server hosts started leaving.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by bostik »

lmm wrote: post #67
bostik wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one who thinks that many of the listed gripes are core features? > TOO many bots log entire channels out to public html sites. Fair enough. This would be a likely problem with any non-private chat system. > It won't preview gifs Why would I want my client to preload arbitrary third-party supplied fourth-party content? No thank you. > No syncing without running an eggdrop or some tty somewhere running it…

> Fair enough. This would be a likely problem with any non-private chat system. No, because most non-private chat systems don't oblige anyone who wants to participate seriously to run a log bot. Of course any chat could be being logged, but most people don't bother if you don't give them a reason to. > Why would I want my client to preload arbitrary third-party supplied fourth-party content? The whole point of being…

There is a difference between receiving purely textual content, strictly encoded as text, from third parties and consuming arbitrary binary content from arbitrary third parties. The worst I can receive is bile and propaganda.

To this day, image and video codecs remain full of awful bugs. If you are on the receiving end a piece of data whose mime-type starts with "image/" or "video/", there's no telling what kind of malice you are up against. At best you are up against bile and propaganda.

Incidentally, I find it funny that disappearing messages á la Snapchat or whatever copycat the major tech companies have come up with is considered hip. But IRC with its "you were not online, so you missed it" concept is somehow undesirable.

Re: Why I Live in IRC (2015)

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Post by ranger_danger »

Ancapistani wrote: post #55
ranger_danger wrote: post #32

The reason I don't like to use IRC is 100% the people. Just so brazenly rude and egotistical, and always confidently wrong.

I agree with your statement of fact, but not your conclusion :) Those kinds of people are pretty much just a different interface into a knowledge base. Once you get past the off-putting nature of their responses, I've found that IRC has a higher proportion of correct answers to complex problems.

I was using the context of "living in IRC" versus just going in to ask a question.

People who sit in the same channel all day watching moderators and regulars abuse and mock people that ask questions, just makes me not want to be there.

Unfortunately every large channel on libera operates this way and they get REALLY pissed off if it's ever brought up.

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