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A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

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Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

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I and every single other webdev I've known from the early aughts would immediately offer to buy this person a beer upon hearing this story in person. Those claiming that safari is the new chrome just don't understand how bad IE was at the time.

It was as recently as 5 years ago I was able to do supporting legacy IE versions. Was so happy for it.

Various CSS and JS shims to get anything close to modern. Ugh. Not as bad as the v4 browser days, but close.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

#42

So what you’re saying is you helped your billion dollar mega-corp use their monopoly position to destroy another monopoly and ensure chromium would be the next IE.

That's a pretty wild take, considering that the author specifically said they randomized the order of suggested browsers. They didn't push Chrome, they pushed "anything but IE6".

The grandparent comment would only be somewhat revelant in future versions of Youtube and Google services, since they did end up pushing users to 'try' Chrome exclusively (for Youtube in the footer and everything else via top banner/popups, for both Firefox and even non-Chrome Chromium browsers).

Which given the lawyers' concerns in this article is curious the 180 they did.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

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post #4

One of the best things that's happened to the web is all browsers moving over to an evergreen model of distribution. IE was such a cancer on the internet, everyone in the bad old days programmed to the lowest common denominator (IE6, 7, or 8). Even while brand new features and standards were widely adopted by everyone else. One of the worst things that's happened is nearly everyone converging on using webkit to rende…

Webkit isn't the issue. The issue is Apple is making the same mistake as Microsoft by tying a browser version to a version of the OS. With no upgrade path for people with older phone, you have support the lowest common dominator instead of pushing people to install a new browser.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

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post #43
post #4

One of the best things that's happened to the web is all browsers moving over to an evergreen model of distribution. IE was such a cancer on the internet, everyone in the bad old days programmed to the lowest common denominator (IE6, 7, or 8). Even while brand new features and standards were widely adopted by everyone else. One of the worst things that's happened is nearly everyone converging on using webkit to rende…

Webkit isn't the issue. The issue is Apple is making the same mistake as Microsoft by tying a browser version to a version of the OS. With no upgrade path for people with older phone, you have support the lowest common dominator instead of pushing people to install a new browser.

OTOH, Apple does tend to get OS updates to their users a lot faster than anyone else with market share. At least until they stop supporting a beloved device.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

#45
No other software I hated more than IE6 in my life. I've started webdev in 2003 and was doing PSD to HTML/CSS conversions in the evenings and nights after my webdev dayjob. Opera and Firefox was a pleasure and easy to convert for, IE6 caused no end of pain for these conversions. In time I've learned enough tricks to know all the workarounds and could look at a given PSD file and know within 30min precision how many hours it'll take me, at that point I've started charging clients on top for IE6 support, this was around 2008.

This IE6 hate transcended into me avoiding all MS products for a long time. Only after they bought github and linkedin I gave in.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

#46
post #23

I worked on the front end of CollegeHumor.com at this time and spent a lot of working hours bashing my head against the wall debugging for IE6 (and even IE5). I don’t remember the decision/approval process that happening internally but we put up a similar banner very shortly after YouTube added theirs. We continued supporting IE6 for some time but started prioritizing it less and less.

I half remember youtube doing this.

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

#47
Not saying IE6 is good. It's quite comfortable to have the left hand owning the Chrome and the right one blocking other browsers with very specific changes in one of the most popular web sites. Helps power, control, and ads, you know.

The similar thing is happening now [0] (however the reasons are showing ads - but essentially they've always been to show ads!). But this Firefox cow is too precious to kill it entirely: it prevents antimonopoly investigation as "see there are others" on the field of browsers.

0 - https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23970721/google-youtube-...

Re: A conspiracy to kill IE6 (2019)

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post #23

I worked on the front end of CollegeHumor.com at this time and spent a lot of working hours bashing my head against the wall debugging for IE6 (and even IE5). I don’t remember the decision/approval process that happening internally but we put up a similar banner very shortly after YouTube added theirs. We continued supporting IE6 for some time but started prioritizing it less and less.

I half remember youtube doing this.

No need to half-remember. It’s the submission that talks about it.
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