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Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by adastra22 »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #96
newbie578 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hilarious how certain people on HN are so pro-corpo. You get a feeling like Apple is part of their family, not a monopolistic giant just needing one excuse to permaban you from their services.

A good proportion of these people have the majority of their multi-million dollar wealth tied up in a single on of the FAAMG megacorps, or in a stock portfolio heavily invested in them. As they say, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it". Even the ones that are not outright shills and cheerleaders often exhibit motivated reasoning...

I don’t own any Apple stock. Nor is my finances in any way dependent on Apple or other big tech. I don’t even work in software.

I just think my life is genuinely improved by having access to Apple products, and find the blond hate and uncompromising takes in this thread to be just as baffling.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by adastra22 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #70
adastra22 wrote: post #40

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You're free to think otherwise, but this is what I've been repeatedly told by entrepreneurs in Europe (who mostly copy US ideas), and europeans living in Silicon Valley (who came here to innovate in ways they can't back home).

That's a strong selection bias because you'll never meet people who stay in Europe because they like running a business there.

My work routinely takes me to Europe to interact with these people. I’m not in traditional tech.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by matwood »

adastra22 wrote: post #101
MagnumOpus wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good proportion of these people have the majority of their multi-million dollar wealth tied up in a single on of the FAAMG megacorps, or in a stock portfolio heavily invested in them. As they say, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it". Even the ones that are not outright shills and cheerleaders often exhibit motivated reasoning...

I don’t own any Apple stock. Nor is my finances in any way dependent on Apple or other big tech. I don’t even work in software. I just think my life is genuinely improved by having access to Apple products, and find the blond hate and uncompromising takes in this thread to be just as baffling.

I do own some Apple stock, but agree. Maybe I'm old school, but if I don't like a companies product I just don't buy it. This isn't a situation where anyone has to buy Apple products. ~65% of the EU has done just that. The whole blind hate is very weird to me.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

#105

Post by moffkalast »

wkat4242 wrote: post #12

I'm liking this guy even more every time. I agree with him so much and his enshittification term really hit the nail on the head. Also really like that he hosts his blog on his own site so I don't have to go to that terrible crap that medium is to read it.

He's been around, to say the least.

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Comics_f...

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by dzhiurgis »

southerntofu wrote: post #14
camillomiller wrote: post #3

These issues need good unbiased reporting, and as much as I love Cory, his reporting is all but unbiased. It's activism. Which is perfectly ok, and extremely important, but in this case it reeks of an extremism that is damaging to the cause itself. The truth is that decrying things like Apple's splash screen about the use of alternative stores, for example, is ridiculous. Apple has all the legal rights to do that, an…

> I know they would be easily scammed by shady apps that don't have to pass through the App Store's review process. My entire family uses F-Droid on ungoogled Androids. They have much less chances to be scammed/exploited because F-Droid is community-run and is explicit about anti-features in the store UI. There just isn't any malware/scam on F-Droid to be scammed with, because the community decides what apps to add a…

How do you go about modern luxuries like opening and charging your car, controlling your home, paying, using public transport, chatting, using digital id, flying a drone...?

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by dzhiurgis »

herbst wrote: post #36
adastra22 wrote: post #26

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I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.

We don't need a silicon valley. No need for a ultra concentrated tech valley. We have many small tech valleys all over Europe. With many many good, honest, privacy respecting companies. We just don't have that unicorn culture. But do we need highly overvalued tech businesses?

Vilnius is sometimes touted as new valley yet hosts all the shady VPN companies that engage in hacking your home cameras, routers and tv's so they can offer IP addresses at residential space!

They are just as privacy invasive as US albeit with less financing which means they are even more ruthless and hostile.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by dzhiurgis »

maeln wrote: post #66
adastra22 wrote: post #26

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I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.

> I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But there is ? Go to Paris, Berlin, Lisboa, Barcelona, ... There is a lot of start-ups, incubator, investor, meet-ups, conference, etc. The EU has a very vibrant tech scene. It is probably more distributed than the U.S, by nature, and not on the same scale. But acting as if the E.U is some sort of ludite, back water, hostile to business, is just plain wron…

It's not EU that's hostile, but employment laws in most countries which make it extremely hard to fire people or hire contractors.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Post by herbst »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #107
herbst wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need a silicon valley. No need for a ultra concentrated tech valley. We have many small tech valleys all over Europe. With many many good, honest, privacy respecting companies. We just don't have that unicorn culture. But do we need highly overvalued tech businesses?

Vilnius is sometimes touted as new valley yet hosts all the shady VPN companies that engage in hacking your home cameras, routers and tv's so they can offer IP addresses at residential space! They are just as privacy invasive as US albeit with less financing which means they are even more ruthless and hostile.

See, good that there are many places, so that the VPN bullshit can't make the other cool places a bad name.
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