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How to hire low experience, high potential people

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Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

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> Disagree and commit: I hate that this is such a common thought process. This is something that makes sense for soldiers in the military. But outside of this context (being a low-information cog in a gigantic machine), it's terrible. If you can't convince domain experts that the plan is sound, then maybe it's a bad plan. Honestly, disagree and commit goes against my... > Theory for excellence.

> I hate that this is such a common thought process.

In most teams, not everyone is on the same page:

- There are people with varying levels of experience, some may not currently have enough background to fully understand all the aspects that a plan addresses.

- Many/most people have the tendency to let their various biases creep into team-level decision-making. For instance, if someone had a bad experience on a previous team using technology X, they are less likely to support using X today independent of X's suitability for the current situation. And people tend to have a massive bias towards their own ideas rather than others' - so when two competing ideas are presented, one's own ideas are often preferred to others' ideas.

- Especially in larger organizations, there may be political motivations for pursuing one plan over another plan - both for management and for workers. "Nobody got fired for buying IBM" and "resume-driven development" and "launches get promo more than landings" are a few examples that come to mind that I've seen.

Unless you're on a golden A-team of contributors who are all incredible and on the same wavelength (this does happen sometimes! if so, cherish it!), you're going to have a mix of people with a mix of motivations+biases+experiences, incapable of reaching consensus around the "true" best plan in a reasonable amount of time.

Making decisions in a reasonable amount of time is CRUCIAL to team performance. Obviously, sometimes you make a bad decision quickly when you might have arrived at a good decision with more deliberation+debate+waiting for consensus. But in my experience, the benefit of avoiding these "bad" decisions from time to time is dramatically outweighed by a team's ability to decide very on things very quickly and commit to a plan (and therefore execute).

Famously, section 5.11 of the CIA's Simple Sabotage Field Manual [1] describes some pretty timeless ways to ruin an organization's productivity - all kinds of behavior that are kind of indistinguishable from the behavior I've seen arise from "disagreeing and not committing" in organizations.

[1] https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/...

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#132
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I found the part where the author throws in "cared for a dying parent" particularly distasteful, it's like a benchmark for "palatable damage"

I could only see that being relevant when there are resume gaps that may be explained by being a SAHM or caring for a dying parent. But as it relates to actual work? No.

I was told that asking about resume gaps is a very biased question and a no-no, especially if it is a single gap, as opposed to a pattern.

Usually the answer to a single resume gap is something personal and none of my business as an interviewer, it's not my place to pry if you were raising children, caring for dying relatives or battling severe depression

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#133

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood! I learn a lot about their grit and commitment to excellence from their basketball obsession or maybe their experience caring for a dying parent. I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing th…

It’s revealing that the author feels entitled to the interviewee just volunteering such information for the sake of a job.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#135
post #4

I like that this isn't your typical skills demo. I changed careers at age 40+, learned to code, now years later enjoying it. It just took someone who thought I could grow. Interestingly I was hired along side some capable, albeit green, college grads. The difference in terms of understanding how a business works, speaking to customers, asking questions / follow through to get down to the problem we're solving was eno…

Ambiguity and uncertainty are anathema to approaching problems from the classic engineering mindset. That's not a bad thing when used properly, and it's great in school where people hand you a stream of problems designed to be interesting in that mentality, but it's not the general-purpose tool for interfacing with all problems, as some imagine. I've worked both as a developer and designer, and with design tasks, you've only got a fuzzy sense of the wrong answers before you manage to craft a right one. Many, if not most engineers find it much easier to assume designers sit around all day moving things about as they fancy rather than imagining what it would take to solve ambiguous problems with no way to determine if you've got a really good solution until many people start interacting with it.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#136

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood! I learn a lot about their grit and commitment to excellence from their basketball obsession or maybe their experience caring for a dying parent. I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing th…

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Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

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post #8

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood! I learn a lot about their grit and commitment to excellence from their basketball obsession or maybe their experience caring for a dying parent. I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing th…

> I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing this much personal information with a stranger on a job interview. Then lie and tell a good story.

> Then lie and tell a good story.

They'll review your story with your references; better hope your mom has a good sense of humor...

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so how should someone with a traumatic childhood answer questions about their childhood? You can change the subject or answer very surface-level and be labeled "unengaged" or "socially inept" You can answer truthfully and be judged for traumadumping You can make up a fake origin story that fits the interviewer's criteria and be disingenuous

Remember that we are talking about a job interview here.

Yes. Which is precisely why my childhood is irrelevant.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#140
post #41

People's intuitions around hiring aren't Bayesian enough. I think a good process reduces down to something like: - Are they smart? (understands quickly + communicates effectively) - Are they cool? (won't put poison in the keurig + pleasant to be around) - Are they high energy? (initiative + action bias) - Do they have the experience needed to be successful in the role? Those are pretty strong priors for success. If y…

I have a 4-quardrant way of thinking about this that's similar. - Y-axis is "drive" - X-axis is "aptitude" - low drive + low aptitude: never hire - low drive + high aptitude: hire for targeted use cases where you need expertise - high drive + low aptitude: hire, train, and foster aptitude growth - high drive + high aptitude: hire on the spot There's an indirect way of testing for this which is to test for curiosity a…

> Y-axis is "drive"

Someone I learned much from way back called this "wattage". As in: "he's too low wattage".

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