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Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

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There's a nauseating bias here against people who've had horrific childhoods. "Let me tell you about the years of physical/emotional/sexual abuse I've suffered though." That's just not going to happen - and if it did happen the interviewer is probably not going to come away with "What a brave person to overcome all of that!" but "What a damaged person, I don't need them around". Well done, you've weeded out people wh…

Yes, I think I'd be fine weeding out people who can't read a social situation and decide to traumadump to their future coworkers.

Ok so how should someone with a traumatic childhood answer questions about their childhood?

You can change the subject or answer very surface-level and be labeled "unengaged" or "socially inept"

You can answer truthfully and be judged for traumadumping

You can make up a fake origin story that fits the interviewer's criteria and be disingenuous

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#112

Having worked predominantly in startups, we've almost always been cash-constrained in hiring. Some of the best hires I've found are highly motivated fresh grads or recent grads. I always look for the desire to prove themselves and take charge and full responsibility of a project; a majority of the times, money is secondary to these folks to the ability to make a difference and prove you're capable of completing somet…

"I find many times, the quality of the average person at a big company is lower than the average startup fresh grad."

I wouldn't blame it on the people but on the environment. I have worked at both big companies and startups. In a lot of big companies it's actually quite hard to make a difference. There are lots of people who can say "No", raise concerns, ask for plans, but not many people who say "Yes". So after a while people learn that it's not worth the effort.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#113

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood! I learn a lot about their grit and commitment to excellence from their basketball obsession or maybe their experience caring for a dying parent. I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing th…

You've never had to take a psych test before an interview?

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#114

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Utterly ridiculous.

> Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood!

Oh God. A job interview isn't a therapy session. Why would people ever feel this type of questioning is appropriate for a job interview? How would someone who's dealt with intense trauma during some of those "chapters" respond? Especially given the power imbalance in a job interview, and the pressure you feel to give an answer.

I'd like to believe that I would be willing to politely decline to answer questions like this, thank the interviewer and tell them there just seems to be a mismatch, and walk out of the door. But I don't know if I'd be able to, due to the stress of a job interview.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#115
Another garbage "how to hire!" article with no data to back it up, just a bunch of opinions. There's nothing to indicate whether what this person suggests has any success whatsoever and no data to back it up. How many times did she use this methodology and it didn't work out?

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#116

> “Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.” Once you’ve gotten the overview, dive into each “chapter” and plumb the depths for their real stories. Go back to their childhood! I learn a lot about their grit and commitment to excellence from their basketball obsession or maybe their experience caring for a dying parent. I don't think I'd be comfortable sharing th…

There's a nauseating bias here against people who've had horrific childhoods. "Let me tell you about the years of physical/emotional/sexual abuse I've suffered though." That's just not going to happen - and if it did happen the interviewer is probably not going to come away with "What a brave person to overcome all of that!" but "What a damaged person, I don't need them around". Well done, you've weeded out people wh…

Or weeded out honest people.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#117
Every time I read articles like these I cringe hard and feel sad about how far the youngsters of today have to struggle and bear bullshit just to get a good job and be financially independent.

People just starting out with their careers do not deserve to be subjected to such horribly intrusive and manipulative approaches from recruiters. They are freshers goddammit, you are not supposed to hire them for leadership positions from the get-go. Treat them accordingly and give them space to learn on the job; and if your firm is not capable of doing that yet, go back to hiring based on experience. I have seen way too many large companies of today try to save labor costs by hiring fresh grads and then offloading the responsibilities of C-level leadership onto them so that they don't have to pay large salaries to the experienced candidates instead.

I myself have been a victim of this pathetic practice - a large startup picked me right out of college and then made me lead the ENTIRE sales and customer experience wing of one of their divisions. With zero prior experience, zero training, just handed the reins from the get-go. This role involved hiring, training, deploying and managing literally a hundred sales executives (all of which had more ground experience than I ever did), chasing insane sales and customer acquisition targets, handling customer analytics for thousands of customers across diverse categories and segments _and_ planning and implementing outreach campaigns while desperately trying to learn the ropes at the same time. The job that I was handling was meant not just for someone more experienced, but for an _entire team_ of analysts, domain experts and mid-level managers. After a year of pushing myself and working literally 90 hours a week I gave up. This startup closed down that division the moment I left and lost ~60% of its overall valuation. From what I hear they have now fired everyone and are just looking for an exit chance. The whole thing was a F-ing nightmare that has scarred me from ever attempting to engage with startups in the future. I have joined a conventional consulting firm as an Associate currently and it's unbelievable how rudimentary things like employee training and mature, robust organization is making me feel.

To any recruiters reading this, please stop going after low-experience candidates if your organization is not specifically mature and equipped enough to holistically train them.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#118
This is a pretty okay list of things to look for. It's hard to actually identify people who have these traits and people who are acting like they do during interview.

The much more difficult issue is retaining people after you've trained them. I worked at a company early in my career that hired a LOT of young people. Most of them failed. A handful every year had rapid growth and would quickly be promoted.

But it was really common for folks to leave once they had acquired more skills. Basically they had become mid/high experience, high potential people in 2 years and someone else would almost always pay them more to go work for them.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a nauseating bias here against people who've had horrific childhoods. "Let me tell you about the years of physical/emotional/sexual abuse I've suffered though." That's just not going to happen - and if it did happen the interviewer is probably not going to come away with "What a brave person to overcome all of that!" but "What a damaged person, I don't need them around". Well done, you've weeded out people wh…

Yes, I think I'd be fine weeding out people who can't read a social situation and decide to traumadump to their future coworkers.

"“Tell me about you. If your life was a book, give me the chapter titles from your birth till now.”"

Would you consider an accurate answer to that to be a traumadump? How quickly do you think people can make up happy childhood stories when put on the spot like this?

It is a completely inappropriate question in a job interview.

Re: How to hire low experience, high potential people

#120
I've interviewed hundreds of people and participated in hiring decisions on 50 or more in various roles.

The conclusion I've reached is that it's almost impossible to predict how someone will perform in a new role. You're always rolling the dice. You need to be willing to hire with an open mind, and fire quickly if it's not working out.

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