Yeah, that's the motto of modern techno-fascists as well
Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"
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#72I have zero doubt in my mind that Apple is in for a rude awakening. No way will the EU stand this level of malicious compliance. The gloves are off and I fully expect for Apple to not come out unscathed.
> Apple to not come out unscathed. Doesn't mean Apple won't still come out the relative winner.
Will it suck for consumers? Yup, some people will be screaming out loud about how the non-democratic EU bureaucrats are stifling innovation (as we usually see in HN comments about EU regulations against huge corporations), at the same time Apple will capitulate if a ban on the sale of their products in the EU goes on for more than a few weeks. They capitulated on the Apple Watch sales ban in the US and the US is much more pro-business.
I can't see what's the case where they end being a relative winner though, if there's one thing the EU is good at is on enforcing commercial regulations since it's still its main raison d'être.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.
> I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But there is ? Go to Paris, Berlin, Lisboa, Barcelona, ... There is a lot of start-ups, incubator, investor, meet-ups, conference, etc. The EU has a very vibrant tech scene. It is probably more distributed than the U.S, by nature, and not on the same scale. But acting as if the E.U is some sort of ludite, back water, hostile to business, is just plain wron…
Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"
#74Why did they choose to rub it in the EU's face that not a shred of lawmakers' intentions was going to be implemented?
This can't be an accident. So what's the plan?
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#75These issues need good unbiased reporting, and as much as I love Cory, his reporting is all but unbiased. It's activism. Which is perfectly ok, and extremely important, but in this case it reeks of an extremism that is damaging to the cause itself. The truth is that decrying things like Apple's splash screen about the use of alternative stores, for example, is ridiculous. Apple has all the legal rights to do that, an…
> I know they would be easily scammed by shady apps that don't have to pass through the App Store's review process. My entire family uses F-Droid on ungoogled Androids. They have much less chances to be scammed/exploited because F-Droid is community-run and is explicit about anti-features in the store UI. There just isn't any malware/scam on F-Droid to be scammed with, because the community decides what apps to add a…
I think Apple is dumb for not adjusting here ahead of time, because they have pushed the government to come up with poorly thought out laws like the DMA.
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#76The Author starts with a inherently flawed argument around the concept of duty-free - holding it as some sort of totem indicating a cultural proclivity for the Irish towards large-scale tax evasion. The concept of things like bonded warehouses and Tourist Refund Schemes are ignored, despite him linking to the Wiki page detailing all of this (which he has either neglected to read or disingenuously ignored). Nor is there acknowledgement that U.S. citizens receive substantially higher duty exemptions than normal when they visit or transit through US Protectorates. But I digress.
Lets move on to the more overt racism - where he decries the concept of MNCs setting up in Ireland as 'Potemkin Villages', or removes all artifice of balance using pulp-fiction phraseology like 'Ireland is a made town, where the cops are all on the take'.
Much like the rabid UK Tabloids pre-Brexit, the conversation re: corporation tax is simplified to focus on the headline rate. It’s never been about the headline rate - France amongst other EU countries has a far lower effective corporate tax rate than Ireland.
e.g. The French Agency for International Investment cited an effective tax rate of 8.2 per cent in advertising literature aimed at attracting foreign business to the country. The agency’s promotional documents note various tax mechanisms reduce the effective tax rate significantly from the nominal rate, citing a PricewaterhouseCoopers report (2011)
https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/paying-taxes/pdf/paying-taxes-2011...
They're also non-English speaking, have layers of bureaucracy around employing people or setting up any sort of business, effectively close down on Sundays and have a storied history of industrial action, striking without warning, and other non-corporate aligned things like the gilet jaune movement.
Ireland is heavily criticised because we encourage large US businesses to trade in Europe but use specific accounting and corporate formation practices to ensure that the majority of their European businesses pay as little tax as possible in Europe.
Other countries though, particularly France and Germany would have quite substantial tax incomes if Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Netflix, PayPal, EBay and most of the major drug manufacturers based in Ireland had to pay more local taxes in those countries. We don’t benefit by the setting of ECB rates like Germany does, so we take what we can as a Service Based economy isolated on an Island on the Western Periphery of Europe with a highly-educated English Speaking Workforce.
We facilitate widespread tax reduction (again legally) which directly affects those countries denying them tax income which they would really prefer to obtain. That’s why our tax practices generate so much anger in the rest of Europe. It’s not the rate, it’s that we collaborate with those US firms to keep denying tax income to the rest of Europe.
Why a US Citizen would get angry at Ireland about this is another question entirely - e.g. Ireland gets the blame for Apple not paying its fair share of taxes but what it really boils down to is: Apple is a US company, yet the US won't force Apple to pay taxes on its foreign earnings. In contrast, if you're a US citizen who, perhaps lives anywhere else in the world for all your life, you're still expected to pay US taxes...
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Food is highly regulated by the state, at least in the US and EU (probably too highly regulated). It is also a market with numerous platforms which compete to offer quality guarantees - i.e. supermarkets. The difference with Apple is just that the platform is more tied in to the hardware.
Sure, but would you like one company to decide which food you are allowed to eat?
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple to not come out unscathed. Doesn't mean Apple won't still come out the relative winner.
Depends, if the EU wants to set an example that corporations trying to skirt the law by malicious compliance will be heavily penalised we might see Apple's products being barred from commercialisation in the entire EU until they comply. Will it suck for consumers? Yup, some people will be screaming out loud about how the non-democratic EU bureaucrats are stifling innovation (as we usually see in HN comments about EU…
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#80This is the epitome of ill-informed and emotive polemic, written in a tabloid-esque fervour worthy of The National Inquirer. The Author starts with a inherently flawed argument around the concept of duty-free - holding it as some sort of totem indicating a cultural proclivity for the Irish towards large-scale tax evasion. The concept of things like bonded warehouses and Tourist Refund Schemes are ignored, despite him…
But I think his point about the Irish data commissioner is valid. While EU countries are allowed to compete on tax, competing on lax law enforcement or lax interpretation of the law is unacceptable.