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Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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Apple's European revenue for the App Store is only 7% of its global App Store receipts. At some point apple will just leave the market. The EU is a bit bonkers to think that it can get global tech companies to comply with increasingly tech-hostile regulations without any push back or red lines. At some point it just stops being worth the hassle.

Europe is 25% of Apples Revenues. If they exit with the App Store, nobody is going to buy an iPhone anymore.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

#32

Apple's European revenue for the App Store is only 7% of its global App Store receipts. At some point apple will just leave the market. The EU is a bit bonkers to think that it can get global tech companies to comply with increasingly tech-hostile regulations without any push back or red lines. At some point it just stops being worth the hassle.

I'm counting down the days like it's Christmas.

You want iPhones and iPads and MacBooks to be discontinued from the European market?

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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> Apple has all the legal rights to do that They should not. Mobile computing is as fundamentally important as the right to free speech. They're taking over access to every part of life and are more important than cash. Two trillion dollar companies should not be allowed to gatekeep belonging to modern society. > even worse for less tech savvy users, which are the majority. We let people drive multi-ton vehicles with…

> multi-ton vehicles with little training at 80mph. I think they'll be fine with web downloads. I wish this were true, but in my experience, it's a very different skill than driving.

Only in tech do we dismiss all of the absolutely deadly degrees of freedom in life to defend the entrenched positions of monopolies.

We won't even mention the decades of research and literal human millennia of engineering efforts that went into the best practices that can protect people.

Sandboxes, what are those? Surely only two companies lording over everything can protect us from ourselves. Free web installs are just as bad as speeding cars, chainsaws, electrocution, etc.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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> At some point apple will just leave the market. maybe a good thing. yanis varoufakis said EU had become irrelevant in tech. more investment can go to local tech instead of US monopolies.

I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.

That is not true at all

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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post #27

Apple's European revenue for the App Store is only 7% of its global App Store receipts. At some point apple will just leave the market. The EU is a bit bonkers to think that it can get global tech companies to comply with increasingly tech-hostile regulations without any push back or red lines. At some point it just stops being worth the hassle.

7% is $26.8 billion for last year.

So? It's still 7%. What happens when compliance or fees costs them $30 billions? Those go up with scale too.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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> At some point apple will just leave the market. maybe a good thing. yanis varoufakis said EU had become irrelevant in tech. more investment can go to local tech instead of US monopolies.

I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.

We don't need a silicon valley. No need for a ultra concentrated tech valley. We have many small tech valleys all over Europe. With many many good, honest, privacy respecting companies.

We just don't have that unicorn culture. But do we need highly overvalued tech businesses?

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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I'm counting down the days like it's Christmas.

You want iPhones and iPads and MacBooks to be discontinued from the European market?

Yes, I certainly do: if Apple can't behave, there's no reason their unrepairable, overpriced garbage should stay on the EU market.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

#38

These issues need good unbiased reporting, and as much as I love Cory, his reporting is all but unbiased. It's activism. Which is perfectly ok, and extremely important, but in this case it reeks of an extremism that is damaging to the cause itself. The truth is that decrying things like Apple's splash screen about the use of alternative stores, for example, is ridiculous. Apple has all the legal rights to do that, an…

> The truth is that decrying things like Apple's splash screen about the use of alternative stores, for example, is ridiculous.

The article is talking about splash screens for 3rd party payments (like this: https://developer.apple.com/support/images/apps-using-altern...) not for 3rd party app stores (like this: https://developer.apple.com/support/images/alternative-app-m...).

I would agree the app store warning is pretty reasonable: " would like to install an App Marketplace" is clear and to the point, sure (and the article doesn't disagree).

"This app doesn't support the App Store's private and secure payment system" as the main headline on a full screen warning with a huge long scary blurb every time you try to pay anybody who isn't Apple is not reasonable.

This is not the great danger Apple is pretending it is - literally every single one of their customers has paid money to somebody outside the App Store in the past. Being aware of the risks of that is a basic & essential skill that everybody who owns a credit card must have already. Apple has a responsibility to protect non-technical users against technical risks, but it does not (and should not) try to protect users from lack of very basic life skills.

> Apple has all the legal rights to do that

That's not necessarily true at all!

I'm sure there'll have a good lawyerly debate on this soon, but the DMA requirements generally seem to mandate no restrictions for these new features than those strictly required to preserve device integrity & security.

Given that the existing global payment system is very familiar to all their customers, far more widely used than App Store purchases, and _generally pretty good_ (yes, you can quibble on UX and subscription management, but we all use it all the time, there's plenty of anti-fraud backstops, and payments in the world outside the app store do work) I don't think this screaming warning can be justified as an essential measure required to protect user security. To me, it looks like a unnecessarily scary screen actively discouraging users away from their competition.

A small calm confirmation for "Pay outside the App Store? This payment will be handled by 'Example Dev' directly." would be far more justifiable.

Re: Apple to EU: "Go fuck yourself"

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love for there to be a vibrant European tech scene. But these same sort of business-hostile behavior is exactly why there isn't a European version of Silicon Valley.

That is not true at all

You're free to think otherwise, but this is what I've been repeatedly told by entrepreneurs in Europe (who mostly copy US ideas), and europeans living in Silicon Valley (who came here to innovate in ways they can't back home).
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