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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

#171

My brain stopped in surprise after parsing the first half of that headline. "Oslo acquires ChatGPT.."?!

Norway has the funds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Nor...

The fund already owns an obscene amount of Microsoft, so they already kind of own it.

Edit: typo

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

#172

Italy: ban ChatGPT, then unban it again Norway: buy 110k licenses

Europe is essentially a market economy for economical and societal experiments. Ton of sovereign nations that can try out different things and the rest can see what works and what doesn't.

Too bad some people want to abuse EU to destroy this and move towards monolithic slob with little variance.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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This is just plain stupid. The next gen kids will lack more ability to collect and analyze information, and thus more manipulatable.

I think LLMs+search like Bard, Bing, Phind.com or Perplexity.ai are decent replacements to bare search. Average web content is worse than GPT stuff. You can see that when they compare models trained on raw web vs other sources (books) or curated web. Using bare search means you have to wade through the garbage, a dumpster diving-like experience. You still need to validate everything, on the web or in a LLM window, an…

And how you gonna validate it? By search? I'm not saying LLMs can't be good assistance, but it does no good to kids. It's more important for kids to learn how to identify the truth by digging it themselves.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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That's pretty much Europe. Drastically different mindsets from London to Istanbul and Oslo to Barcelona. Sometimes I'm surprised how EU(though a smaller subset of Europe) even manages to agree on anything.

Consensus is their core strength.

Which is being under attack by some people who want to build a hegemonic monolith dominated by few.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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"GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium" Not really relevant when they will be using GPT-4, is it? Plus the powerful features from code interpreter is a night and day difference Not everything is worth saving a bit of money to get worse performance from something that has a worse network effect

It's not so much about money as it is about not using proprietary technology with an obscure set of biases.

That sounds like all mainstream technology. Might as well get the kids used to it

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

#176

It'll be interesting to see how kids will respond to AI hallucinations. Will they just accept it as fact?

Who checked facts before the internet? Most of us survived with local myths and rumors.

But now we can get our myths and rumours from gpt, right? And if it can't find them, it will make them up!

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That's pretty much Europe. Drastically different mindsets from London to Istanbul and Oslo to Barcelona. Sometimes I'm surprised how EU(though a smaller subset of Europe) even manages to agree on anything.

Maybe that’s because in both comparisons you’ve mentioned cities not in the EU

I mentioned them due to their geographic positional extremes. Replace Istanbul with Athens, London with Amsterdam and Oslo with Stockholm ıf you want to include EU only cities and its the same thing, just slightly narrower geography. EU is a subset of Europe but its very wide subset, which includes most of the extremes.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Maybe it will teach them critical thinking.

When you ask an AI for a list of citations and it returns a list of 10 names, pages and dates no amount of 'critical thinking' will let you determine which answers are correct or incorrect, you have to sit there and painfully cross-reference each one. The 'critical thinking' part at this point in time leads you to only one conclusion: that the tool is unreliable and dangerous and shouldn't be used. Or, you're teachin…

The world is a lie box. Gpt is a new and surprising iteration, which takes up a lot of the legwork out of the nonsense generation business.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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fwiw the title is not a garden path sentence, as there’s no misleading initial parse.

“Acquired” is only really used for the purchase of businesses, at least in headlines, and especially in tech news. The awkward translation is indeed a garden path sentence when delivered to this crowd. About the only real counterargument is that you could also interpret the translation as trading the business for 110,000 students and teachers. That would not be garden path as it would be (accidentally) misleading wor…

I think garden pathiness requires not merely that you got the wrong noun (the company itself, not their product), but that you got an entirely different parse tree.
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