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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by leosanchez »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

You are definitely not alone :)

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by paul7986 »

Just saw that Altman is working with Johnny Ives on AI hardware... could an AI (Microsoft) phone which it's UI focus is a text or voice prompt with some app icons but not app icon driven (how the phone UX paradigm is now) be in the works? The text or voice prompt performs & displays your requests in text, voice and or graphical representations of the data and or task you requested it to complete. No need to drill down into an app and click through screens to complete a task, find info you seek .. the AI driven phone does all the drilling down for you and shows (speaks too if you choose) what you requested in a nice pretty format (graphical representation with text to infographs). No need to go or even use Google!

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by ryanjshaw »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

It doesn't "lie" (there's no intent to deceive). It makes "mistakes" [1]. It's a tool that is increasingly a part of the modern world whether you like it or not. Students who learn how to use the tool, which includes learning its limitations, will benefit overall.

[1] technically it doesn't even make "mistakes", it's just an LLM doing its thing, but we humans like to anthropomorphise

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by Staple_Diet »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

Hmm, all I'm hearing is that ChatGPT should run for President.

But on a serious note I have only gotten good content out of ChatGPT when it's used as a smart Thesaurus, or a code checker (even that was 50:50). If I have a paragraph that I feel needs rewriting or condensing I can throw it in and resubmit until I get a good result - which I still then need to edit to make it less... ChatGPTish. If I open up old scripts (data extraction/analysis) that I forgot what they do I chuck it in and find out what will happen.

Like any large technological advance, the hype is much larger than the eventual reality (see VR goggles).

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by calderknight »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

The students are using it anyway, so Oslo decided that teaching students to use it would be the best path. That way they can teach the students about the hallucinations and about ethical ways to use the technology.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by reilly3000 »

It will be interesting to see how this shapes the lives of the students and educators. Its embrace signals some acquiescence to the reality that LLMs are here to stay and may as well be used to their full potential. I imagine students being able to cover a lot of ground on a topic with ChatGPT and interrogate it with detail, as well as learn how to fact check its contents. This stands in sharp contrast towards US schools which seem to treat it as a chance to cheat. Very different mentalities about learning and life stand behind that contrast.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by _flux »

MattGaiser wrote: post #48
krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

It does make mistakes, but it gets stuff right enough to be worth it. And if you catch it in a lie, you can just tell it and usually it will correct itself. To me, it is like a junior developer. It does the bulk of the work and whenever there is an issue, you can tell it like in a code review to fix a particular piece. Look past the confidence level and focus on the work product. Remember, it doesn’t need to always b…

A junior developer will figure out and hopefully confess when he's way over his head, but ChatGPT will happily respond "oh right you are, that makes no sense, here's a corrected version"—just to respond with a version that is also false in a way that might not be readily apparent. ChatGPT ultimately doesn't know what it doesn't know, unless it's been told so explicitly (this is my current understanding which may be flawed; I'd like to know the "not knowing" would otherwise work in this system!).

But indeed it's still quite useful. It's best used in situations where it doesn't matter much if the answer is right, or when the answer can be easily checked if it's correct, yet more annoying to come up by oneself in the first place.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by subbu »

schiffern wrote: post #47
gandalfgeek wrote: post #18

My brain stopped in surprise after parsing the first half of that headline. "Oslo acquires ChatGPT.."?!

I, for one, welcome our new Norwegian overlords. btw it's called a garden-path sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence

__A garden-path sentence is a grammatically correct sentence that starts in such a way that a reader's most likely interpretation will be incorrect; the reader is lured into a parse that turns out to be a dead end or yields a clearly unintended meaning. "Garden path" refers to the saying "to be led down [or up] the garden path", meaning to be deceived, tricked, or seduced.__
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