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How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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Re: How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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Lego is still quite amazing but not quite as cool as it used to be. I suppose the various boxes were always meant to be such that you could build that one really cool building/vehicle/etc. with it. Sometimes with a predesigned variation, too. But today it seems that the purpose of most boxes is to do only that - and then, what, put the object into a display case? Or, more likely, play with it for a while and then for…

I recall as a kid a sense of scarcity with my lego, even though I had quite a bit because it was one of the few reliable presents for me.

We couldn't afford the expensive sets, so I was always doing a little bit of the calculus about what interesting parts I could see on the box, whether they were in a color that I favored (if you want to build something mono- or dichromatic you have to have a lot of pieces in one or two colors), the state of disrepair of my minifigs (the helmet chinstraps back then were always breaking) etc.

It wasn't the first choice usually, but often once I'd narrowed it down to a couple in my price range, it mattered.

As an adult I happened upon a lego expo a couple times in a community center, and one that stuck out to me relates to your story. For a while there were sets with very long, spindly, curved pieces that always annoyed me, but the centerpiece of this exposition was a suspension bridge of Lego about ten feet long. The trusses that held the road bed were made almost entirely by chaining together those curved, spindly bits. God knows where he got that many of them and all the same color. And how much that cost.

Re: How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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Just to provide some counterpoint to the echo chamber here - as a Dad of a six year old who played with legos as a kid and again now, I can affirm - Legos and the sets they put out now are way cooler now than when I was a kid! You might worry that the less general purpose, specialized pieces might stunt creativity, but guess what!? The 6 year old has no problem taking them completely apart and building something off…

Having two teenage boys I cannot confirm this. They play with other stuff, but Lego is for building once and putting it on a shelf, where it will collect thick layers of dust. My sons never really played with Lego, which I found a bit disappointing.

Is it an option to get them:

https://www.brickgun.com/

esp.

https://www.brickgun.com/Models/MAC-11_RB/BrickGun_MAC-11_RB...

I bought two of those last Christmas, one for me, the other for the son of a co-worker --- mine is currently out on loan to the parent to practice with so as to be able to keep up with the child (and if need be, as a source of parts if any are missing).

Re: How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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While I have nostalgia and can talk about how I used to make amazing designs with fewer specialized bricks, the truth is modern Legos can do more and cost less (adjusted for inflation). My 12year old has built things that I couldn't do until I was a junior in college. We're just grumpy because we are old. I don't love how Lego makes all of these specialty sets for grownups, but.. I've bought some and enjoy it. Playin…

They cost less even before inflation. Here's a write up I did a few months back. https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=37657077 As far as I can tell, Lego just keeps getting more affordable.

I went back and checked the prices. None have changed since my prior update except a Lego friends set which is now on clearance, so they should be evaluating even better against inflation.

Re: How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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Just to provide some counterpoint to the echo chamber here - as a Dad of a six year old who played with legos as a kid and again now, I can affirm - Legos and the sets they put out now are way cooler now than when I was a kid! You might worry that the less general purpose, specialized pieces might stunt creativity, but guess what!? The 6 year old has no problem taking them completely apart and building something off…

The new sets are more complex and detailed, but god do I hate the franchised sets. Nothing kills kids creativity more than that. It's not a pirate ship, it is Jack Sparrow's pirate ship. It's not a spaceship, it's Luke Skywalker's spaceship! Additionally, the quality of parts has seriously decreased since the 80s and 90s.

“The new sets are more complex and detailed, but god do I hate the franchised sets. Nothing kills kids creativity more than that.”

I haven’t noticed this with my son, fortunately. What I have noticed is that franchised characters immediately detach from their property when they enter his LEGO world. Lately I think Chewbacca has been dating an elderly woman, and every time Luke Skywalker talks about the rebellion his hair falls off. We have a Porg that runs a food delivery service with a Goomba and Harry Potter. I played in a similar way when I was a kid. I think in many cases the characters can be jumping off points, but a lot of kids take plenty of liberties from there.

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I remember when I had Legos I had to build whatever my mind came up with using the pieces available. We'd play with it. Then a new idea would pop in our brains about how to improve the design and we'd tear down and build back up only bigger and better. And if we got more legos or new pieces, suddenly so many new possibilities for designs. What a difference a few new pieces made. Now they feel like model Kits. My neph…

I think this is one of the disadvantages of things like Star Wars Lego - you have something extremely well known to compare it to, and there's not really a point in rebuilding it, because that's the "best it can be". Whereas my early sets, focused mainly around City, were nice, but I could build something else "City-like" out of them and not feel it was vastly inferior. But, I think a bigger part is just kids are dif…

Yeah, I'm not sure one way is better than another. What I do think is that Lego has definitely been evolving the way people play with them.

Re: How Lego Became the Apple of Toys (2015)

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Its interesting, you find quality with these brands. I'm certain these brands advertise they have quality, but I think they fall far short of the competition constantly. Nintendo? Disney? Apple? When I think of their actual quality compared to the best in the business you are talking B- quality. Sure you never get a C or a D like when I get a random Android phone for $100, but you are never going to get a Baulders Ga…

I don't agree that it's just marketing. I'm not saying their products are perfect, they certainly have flaws. But the maniacal focus on quality is palpable in their products. Play a Nintendo game start to finish, you will be very hard pressed to find ANY bugs or glitches. Like you have to hunt really hard to try to find them, they are usually an extremely polished experience. The same cannot be said for most other de…

> you will be very hard pressed to find ANY bugs or glitches. Like you have to hunt really hard to try to find them, they are usually an extremely polished experience.

Has this ever been true? Or maybe its true, but the games are so mediocre that no one cares that 'Pong doesnt have any bugs'.

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Its interesting, you find quality with these brands. I'm certain these brands advertise they have quality, but I think they fall far short of the competition constantly. Nintendo? Disney? Apple? When I think of their actual quality compared to the best in the business you are talking B- quality. Sure you never get a C or a D like when I get a random Android phone for $100, but you are never going to get a Baulders Ga…

> compared to the best in the business Huh? They are among the best. Disney is among Big 5 major movie studios. Lego is top 4 toy companies, largest by revenue among them. Apple is top-3 company in the world by market cap. Quality is very subjective, but the fact that you personally prefer Baulders Gate to Mario just shows that Nintendo plays it in a different niche, not that latter is somehow objectively worse / has…

>Quality is very subjective

And these companies pump the marketing and psychology tricks to an 11/10.

We could use objective quality metrics, but that would embarrass these groups. Why is it all of these groups are not the objectively the Top? They are B- when you use objective metrics.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is one of the disadvantages of things like Star Wars Lego - you have something extremely well known to compare it to, and there's not really a point in rebuilding it, because that's the "best it can be". Whereas my early sets, focused mainly around City, were nice, but I could build something else "City-like" out of them and not feel it was vastly inferior. But, I think a bigger part is just kids are dif…

Yeah, I'm not sure one way is better than another. What I do think is that Lego has definitely been evolving the way people play with them.

And keeping piece count steady even as prices increase - "ten cents a piece" has been a good rule of thumb for twenty years and only really been broken in the last few, but part of that is the average size/weight of pieces has been dropping.

I'm sure someone somewhere has done the math.

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