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Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Nifty idea. But don’t satellites have toxic components? While most of it will be burnt up some bits get to the ground. Satellites are made from material, and can’t be safely disassembled. Rentry is uncontrolled incineration, depending on a large part of the pollutants being diluted across the sky, and the ground and water on which they fall. Background levels would rise.

> But don’t satellites have toxic components? That depends on how you define "toxic". If you mean toxic fuels, most do not. However the idea is just terribly impracticable. Heat shields are heavy and more than that you would need to design your satellite around the heat shield. It would need to be able to fold up like origami into the heat shield. You also need to add extra fuel to perform the targed re-entry. This w…

>If you mean toxic fuels, most do not.

Hydrazine is quite common and quite toxic, of the "seek medical attention immediately" variety. 1 ppm is a threshold for exposure for a few hours, satellites can launch with hundreds of pounds of the stuff.

A crashed satellite would not be safe to be around, you might get liver failure if you go poking around one and get a good ammonia-like whiff of hydrazine.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

#72
Plasma physicist here. While this is an idea worthy of study, the answer to the (spaceweatherarchive.com) title question is "no". The researcher's article makes simple errors in what they call " undergraduate physics" (electricity and magnetism), in basic plasma physics, and in basic algebra.

As one straightforward example, their estimate of the (change in) Debye length ignores that their equations (2 and 3) are in terms of the square of the Debye length, so the purported change should be only sqrt as large.

As another example, it's not clear why the author focuses on aluminium in the upper atmosphere, or worries about small particles of aluminium shielding the earth's magnetic field from space. While a conductive shell can shield a changing magnetic field, it needs to have long-range conductive paths. A mesh has this property, but a mesh is not the same as a suspended dispersed powder, even if the individual powder particles are conductive on the nano-scale.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Drastic harm may mean something different to you, but numbers aren’t subjective. Why do you think DDT killed millions of people?

Take a look at famines due to ecosystems breakdown in the 20th century.

Name 3. It should be easy.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

#74

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Take a look at famines due to ecosystems breakdown in the 20th century.

Name 3. It should be easy.

Name? AFAIK those things didn't have names. The 70s and 80s were filled with huge insect plagues on Asia, Africa and South America that disrupted the agriculture of several countries.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Reducing the charged particles in the magnetosphere != weakening the Earth's magnetic field. The energy in the Earth's magnetic field (above the surface) is about the same as the yield of a 200 megaton bomb. It is produced by currents deep in the Earth, in the core; there is no way satellites could have any effect on that. Now, getting rid of energetic particles trapped in the magnetosphere is a different question. A…

What a megaproject! Has anyone tried to make a formal plan of this (like there are for other speculative projects)?

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Reducing the charged particles in the magnetosphere != weakening the Earth's magnetic field. The energy in the Earth's magnetic field (above the surface) is about the same as the yield of a 200 megaton bomb. It is produced by currents deep in the Earth, in the core; there is no way satellites could have any effect on that. Now, getting rid of energetic particles trapped in the magnetosphere is a different question. A…

What a megaproject! Has anyone tried to make a formal plan of this (like there are for other speculative projects)?

Yes, people have looked into this, but I don't have many details. One proposal was to put charged tethers into orbit in the magnetosphere. Particles would be deflected by them, some into the loss cone where they'd enter the atmosphere and be removed.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Name 3. It should be easy.

Name? AFAIK those things didn't have names. The 70s and 80s were filled with huge insect plagues on Asia, Africa and South America that disrupted the agriculture of several countries.

> The 70s and 80s were filled with huge insect plagues on Asia, Africa and South America that disrupted the agriculture of several countries.

And had nothing to do with DDT. If you’re thinking there was widespread ecological harm from pesticides, we didn’t stop using pesticides people swapped to different pesticides.

Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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Hmm, maybe this is what is cauing this problem with north pole? https://www.newsweek.com/earth-magnetic-north-pole-follows-u...

No, that's because Putin is a super-villain and is stealing the north pole.

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Re: Will satellite megaconstellations weaken earth's magnetic field?

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The study in question HAS NOT been peer reviewed. https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.09329 Edit: And I'll add arxiv doesn't really vet the content beyond minimal moderation. If it sounds scientific then you can get on arxiv. https://info.arxiv.org/help/submit/index.html I don't think people should pay much attention until that happens. This person has never published a paper before and she's the CEO of a company selling "sol…

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