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Post by rglullis »

AJ007 wrote: post #81
jakebsky wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. "Account portability is the major reason why we chose to build a separate protocol. We consider portability to be crucial because it protects users from sudden bans, server shutdowns, and policy disagreements." https://atproto.com/guides/faq 2. Jack Dorsey is on the board but has no day-to-day role in the company. Jay Graber is the CEO of Bluesky and is in control. The protocol is also designed not to require trus…

The account portability is probably the biggest problem with the fediverse right now. I finally signed up for Mastodon despite reading little to nothing positive about it on hn. It was easy to use, and the signal to noise ratio was vastly improved from my Twitter experience. However, that lack of account portability means users can, have, and will continue to get cut off. Servers cost thousands of USD per months with…

Nostr solves the account portability, albeit poorly. (Your identity is your public key, so if the key gets compromised your identity is as well)

I am more excited about Takahe, which decouples the servers running the federation from the domains holding the actor ids. This means that a hosting provider like mine won't need to allocate one whole instance for each user that wants to have their own domain.

There is also a FEP from the developer of Mitra which aims to flip the ownership of the account keys, which would prevent cases of servers going under and stopping users from recovering their identity.

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Post by bombcar »

timeon wrote: post #130
WD-42 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly. It’s not the platform, it’s the people. I think social networks work fine for small niche communities where conversion stays focused. The problem with all general social networks is that they eventually all devolve into political flame wars. Everyone is just over it.

Niche communities around some topic work well if people that are interested come and go. But if the niche is artificially created by fact that community is gated, then such community is not sustainable. Cabin fever and general fatigue of users.

Reddit almost solved it because they figured out a way to make a large collection of small communities, but then that slumped into the melt as it was likely to do.

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by tracker1 »

Sol- wrote: post #47

Reading testimonials from people who seemingly enjoy Bluesky, it sounds like the main perk is its exclusiveness and feeling like the good old days when Twitter was just for hardcore social media nerds? Is that that a recipe for success and wouldn't opening up undermine it? I don't see how any Twitter clone would avoid the pitfalls that make social media like Twitter fundamentally annoying. It's not about the technolo…

I keep thinking something closer to BBS networks... There are local boards you can chat on, but also the network boards. Usually by topic or interest.

It's not instant, like social media, but lends to longer communication.

More like a self hosted, distributed Facebook group, less life Twitter.

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Post by j4yav »

packetlost wrote: post #79
kevinmchugh wrote: post #24

I've been on for a few months now. It feels like 2014 Twitter in that it doesn't have gifs or video, so you will see some very good jokes. A number of people I used to follow on Twitter are over there but seem to have broken out of the posting habit and are quieter now. When I look at the "discover" tab I don't usually see much stuff that's interesting to me. It's a lot of men posting thirst-traps, furries, bog stand…

Yeah, I've tried to seek out and post technical stuff but it's mostly people virtue signalling, rage baiting, and complaining about other sites.

I made an account to check it out and was surprised to see it was just recommending nothing but US politics outrage bait, just like Twitter.

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Post by internetter »

hedora wrote: post #93
internetter wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because you are logged out. Please note that this is not me advocating for this practice. It has broken the web in immensely frustrating ways.

Given that it appears to be completely broken (last tweet for that account was 6 hours ago, and it's showing a 6 month old cached version), why would I bother creating an account?

I agree. It's ridiculous. I was simply explaining why this behaviour happened.

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Post by alexb_ »

jakebsky wrote: post #128
alexb_ wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm just being a hater, but the inspiration being a web browser that failed after being acquired by AOL at dot-com level stupid high prices, doesn't inspire confidence at all. Sure, it helped pave the way for Firefox, but Netscape itself never actually did anything.

Netscape created the first highly usable web browser, which introduced most people to the web. They also created SSL (TLS), JavaScript, the first high performance web server, and much more that that made the web go.

Oh yeah, I'm not denying that Netscape pioneered a lot of stuff. They also would have went out of business had they not been bought by AOL at a stupid, dot-com inflated price.

You can do something that creates a lot of changes in the world, but if your business model involves giving people things for less than it takes to produce then I don't see how that's a business. What are VCs expecting to get a return on their capital? What's the plan to actually make a profit? Is the plan just to get bought out at a stupidly inflated price, similar to your inspiration of Netscape?

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by kevinmchugh »

delecti wrote: post #126
kevinmchugh wrote: post #24

I've been on for a few months now. It feels like 2014 Twitter in that it doesn't have gifs or video, so you will see some very good jokes. A number of people I used to follow on Twitter are over there but seem to have broken out of the posting habit and are quieter now. When I look at the "discover" tab I don't usually see much stuff that's interesting to me. It's a lot of men posting thirst-traps, furries, bog stand…

Regarding your edit, much of bluesky's culture is developing in reaction to Twitter, or based on lessons learned from it. That block-first attitude is a response both to the kinds of bots that are endemic on Twitter, and to the kinds of engagement-bait that made it such a mess at times. New follower looks like it might be a bot? Block. See a skeet from someone who looks like an asshole? Block. Don't feed the trolls,…

I mute annoying posters (the frequent users who already have >5k posts tend to be uninteresting to me and obviously show up more often in feeds), that makes sense to me.

How goes my experience improve if I block a bot that follows me? Follower bots is a platform problem

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by kevinmchugh »

packetlost wrote: post #79
kevinmchugh wrote: post #24

I've been on for a few months now. It feels like 2014 Twitter in that it doesn't have gifs or video, so you will see some very good jokes. A number of people I used to follow on Twitter are over there but seem to have broken out of the posting habit and are quieter now. When I look at the "discover" tab I don't usually see much stuff that's interesting to me. It's a lot of men posting thirst-traps, furries, bog stand…

Yeah, I've tried to seek out and post technical stuff but it's mostly people virtue signalling, rage baiting, and complaining about other sites.

I think a lot of that is on mastodon fwiw, and some hasn't left Twitter

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by Aachen »

delecti wrote: post #129
Aachen wrote: post #120

Are there mobile apps for Blueky? When I type bluesky or bsky into f-droid, it comes up blank, and I'm not seeing a custom repository or even just an apk download mentioned on the website either. I thought it was like Mastodon except invite-only (till now), so was expecting a similar client ecosystem, but apparently it's more like Twitter was: open ecosystem closed software? Or is it like Tildes whose goal is to have…

There's an official app on the play store. I don't know if it has been mirrored to any other app stores/repositories, but perhaps knowing the app ID will help find it elsewhere. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.blueskyweb...

Aurora lists a dependency on Google Play Services for that app, so probably notifications wouldn't work for me, if not more parts of that app

But I appreciate the pointer!

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