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Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by jakebsky »

Navarr wrote: post #52
jakebsky wrote: post #15

This is a big milestone for Bluesky! We've had the federation sandbox running for over six months but we're now able to commit to open federation on the production network this month as well. There's also stackable moderation coming shortly, which enables other individuals/orgs to operate moderation labeling services that users can choose to use. The technical challenges of setting up an (efficiently) scalable decent…

Is it completely infeasible for BlueSky to federate with ActivityPub while maintaining the pros of its architecture? If Threads, BlueSky, and ActivityPub all interconnected it really would be a great opportunity to compete on the software / UX front

There has been some work by others already on this front: https://docs.bsky.app/blog/feature-bridgyfed

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by neogodless »

raesene9 wrote: post #57

Slightly off-topic on this, but are there any apps that manage posting across BlueSky/Mastodon/Threads/Linkedin? With the fragmentation of social networks and different audiences being in different places, it's a bit annoying to have to manually post in different places (taking account of things like hashtag formats and post length limits), it'd be nice to have a site/app that helped with that.

There have been a few. I know https://www.hootsuite.com is one of those, but does not currently seem updated to support any of the ones you asked about!

https://fedica.com/ seems to maybe be a parent company (acquisition?) of Hootsuite.

https://buffer.com/publish I first heard about this ages ago as a way to build a queue of things to put out to Twitter. They likely support Mastodon and LinkedIn now, but probably not yet the others. See https://support.buffer.com/article/567-supported-channels

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by hedora »

internetter wrote: post #85
hedora wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, whenever I go to twitter, it shows status updates that are years out of date. For example, compare this: https://ubuntu.social/@launchpadstatus to this: https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus?lang=en

This is because you are logged out. Please note that this is not me advocating for this practice. It has broken the web in immensely frustrating ways.

Given that it appears to be completely broken (last tweet for that account was 6 hours ago, and it's showing a 6 month old cached version), why would I bother creating an account?

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by tracker1 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #78
jakebsky wrote: post #15

This is a big milestone for Bluesky! We've had the federation sandbox running for over six months but we're now able to commit to open federation on the production network this month as well. There's also stackable moderation coming shortly, which enables other individuals/orgs to operate moderation labeling services that users can choose to use. The technical challenges of setting up an (efficiently) scalable decent…

>There's also stackable moderation coming shortly, which enables other individuals/orgs to operate moderation labeling services that users can choose to use. Will people be able to opt out of your moderation services?

This is my big question as well. As long as I'm able to block at an individual, or even org level, I'm generally okay seeing a feed of those I follow.

Most social media moderation in my experience tends to be heavy handed. Most jokes could be offensive to someone and likely are. I'd prefer to preserve the collective works if George Carlin and Richard Pryor over heavily filtered systems.

Edit: appears to be completely opt in and based on tagging... Wonder about positive filtering by tag now...

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by dmix »

lionkor wrote: post #14

Wow that comic invokes very unpleasant feelings for me. Super weird, way too corporate for a ... comic...? Seems confused. Their big selling point is blocking stuff you don't wanna see? Thats the big selling point? And... exploration!?

I've seen the word "block" about 20 times since trying out Bluesky. Seems to be a core part of the culture there to aggressively block anyone posting stuff you don't want to see.

On Twitter I just curate who I follow so I don't see annoying stuff and that's worked perfectly fine for me.

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by rglullis »

jakebsky wrote: post #73
coldpie wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious question is what your business model is. I know about your "we plan to sell domains" post from a bit ago[1], but that seems... optimistic, to me. Not sure I want to buy into yet another startup with no business model (e.g. Keybase). [1] https://bsky.social/about/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan

Bluesky is in good financial shape for quite some time based on existing funding. And we're also working hard to be sustainable, which we believe is entirely feasible given our small team. But we're also ensuring that everything required to make the network sustainable over time is completely open.

Sorry, this is a non-answer. Is there a business model in mind or not?

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by anhner »

jakebsky wrote: post #77
anhner wrote: post #65

Requiring phone number is a straight no go from me, sorry.

Understandable! We hope to relax this but we felt it was necessary to maintain the quality of the network for now.

I thought that is why you might have required it, but on the other hand for malicious actors it's trivial to get a phone number unrelated to them, while legitimate users are giving up their only phone number, possibly exposing it to scammers and robocalls (in case of a breach), or having something linking to their real identity.

Anyway, hoping you revisit this one day and that's also when I will try your app again. Wishing you luck!

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by jakebsky »

coldpie wrote: post #83
jakebsky wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bluesky is in good financial shape for quite some time based on existing funding. And we're also working hard to be sustainable, which we believe is entirely feasible given our small team. But we're also ensuring that everything required to make the network sustainable over time is completely open.

That's not a very inspiring answer :( The consequences of taking VC money are going to come home to roost at some point.

We'll see! The history of funded companies popularizing open protocols is not without precedent. I'm inspired by Netscape, which was the VC-backed company that made the web happen.

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by treyd »

AJ007 wrote: post #81
jakebsky wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. "Account portability is the major reason why we chose to build a separate protocol. We consider portability to be crucial because it protects users from sudden bans, server shutdowns, and policy disagreements." https://atproto.com/guides/faq 2. Jack Dorsey is on the board but has no day-to-day role in the company. Jay Graber is the CEO of Bluesky and is in control. The protocol is also designed not to require trus…

The account portability is probably the biggest problem with the fediverse right now. I finally signed up for Mastodon despite reading little to nothing positive about it on hn. It was easy to use, and the signal to noise ratio was vastly improved from my Twitter experience. However, that lack of account portability means users can, have, and will continue to get cut off. Servers cost thousands of USD per months with…

You can migrate your account between instances and take your followers and follows with you. Server shutdowns are rare, since administrators tend to proactively limit registrations when activity starts to be a financial burden. Avoiding the growth-at-all-costs mindset means that instances can stay sustainable.

Re: Bluesky signups are now open to the public

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Post by felixthehat »

raesene9 wrote: post #57

Slightly off-topic on this, but are there any apps that manage posting across BlueSky/Mastodon/Threads/Linkedin? With the fragmentation of social networks and different audiences being in different places, it's a bit annoying to have to manually post in different places (taking account of things like hashtag formats and post length limits), it'd be nice to have a site/app that helped with that.

ha same! I just last week started building an app for myself where I can cross post to mastodon and bluesky (& twitter is in progress, threads doesn't seem to have an api yet). https://grater.app (screenshot at https://imgur.com/lyefPGv )
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