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I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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That’s not what OP said. They said it was a case of exploitation and they are correct. People just don’t like to hear it phrased that way because it brings up negative connotations. Now, while the agreement may be exploitive that doesn’t mean it isn’t mutually beneficial or that the situation be zero sum, at least viewed at a small scale. It’s perfectly possible to be exploited by someone and still end up in a better…

The key word in the definition of exploit is "full" use. To simply use something and derive a profit from it is not necessarily exploitative, as the noted comment suggests. In the context of this thread, the original claim put forth is that being "used" for 80 hours is in fact exploitative; by one calculation, this amounts to 100% of your waking time in a standard 5 day work week, assuming a typical 8 hour daily slee…

The usual counterargument is that the worker agreed to exchange their labor for a price so it's "fair" and therefore not exploitation, which is obviously juvenile. I appreciate that you at least go beyond that simplistic platitude, but it seems equally shortsighted if not ridiculous to get caught up about what qualifies as "full use" of a human being, which is probably why most people just stop before going there. You didn't even mention the wage! I have to ask: would a slave that never works beyond 40 hours/week be considered exploited?

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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> I worked 80 hour weeks I don't know how the work culture is there but that seems completely insane. I've said it many times and I'll say it again. The first thing I tell anyone that enters the work force: Do not play the hero. You don't have to save the world. You will only be rewarded with more work. Put that passion and energy into something you created and own and control.

A few years ago I clocked like a 110 hour week. I was the director but also hands on so I was doing a ton of work but also responsible for delivery. Work was at a job site away from home. Worked straight through two weekends. I felt like I was doing this because I owned it. It culminated in a big demo for the client executive team that went flawlessly. At the end nobody said a word to me. I thought I did something re…

If they ignored heroics like that, I would have been searching for new employment immediately.

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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> It just means you let your employer exploit you. By definition, all labor on which another profits is a case of exploitation, regardless of length in time.

That is definitively not exploitation.

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Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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I just do not believe this story. Nobody in the right mind will fire key software engineer 48 hours after system goes live. This is where all the bugs/problems show up and you need all hands on deck to fix them. Six months after launch when all problems are solved - absolutely, you can fire engineer. 48 hours after launch? absolutely not.

I think you significantly underestimate the lack of empathy and (lack of) concern for workers that this kind of management has

And lack of concern for the end product.

In large enough company, outside of engineering department end product quality or even business long term sustainability is often no one's concern.

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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post #98

> I worked 80 hour weeks I don't know how the work culture is there but that seems completely insane. I've said it many times and I'll say it again. The first thing I tell anyone that enters the work force: Do not play the hero. You don't have to save the world. You will only be rewarded with more work. Put that passion and energy into something you created and own and control.

A few years ago I clocked like a 110 hour week. I was the director but also hands on so I was doing a ton of work but also responsible for delivery. Work was at a job site away from home. Worked straight through two weekends. I felt like I was doing this because I owned it. It culminated in a big demo for the client executive team that went flawlessly. At the end nobody said a word to me. I thought I did something re…

It’s fun being the hero, till it isn’t. Balancing one’s natural behavior with burnout is definitely a skill.

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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I just do not believe this story. Nobody in the right mind will fire key software engineer 48 hours after system goes live. This is where all the bugs/problems show up and you need all hands on deck to fix them. Six months after launch when all problems are solved - absolutely, you can fire engineer. 48 hours after launch? absolutely not.

I worked for a storage startup in the South Bay in the late 00s which did something like this. After staff crunched to deliver the base operating system and kernel controllers, management gave across-the-board poor reviews to all IC staff to justify no raise. Those with the ability quickly left for greener pastures; Google hired some of the best. Only those who had to (work visas, lack of experience, etc.) remained.…

Smells like Igneous or TinTri.

Story shows too much competence for Springpath or Whiptail.

Storage is particularly rife with stuff like this for some reason.

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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As someone else struggling to find a job, I understand. I would still have my last job if I was a little less transparent and made infosec a blackbox. I gave this company almost 5 years of my time, only to be told "Your services are no longer needed" and given 6 weeks of severance, then forced to sell my private RSU's for 2 cents a piece.

Most companies I've applied at don't respond, the I'm not a spring chicken either, I've been doing tech since 1999. Started as a linux / unix admin which became devops between then and 2016. I was doing security work but didn't have a security title until 2016. A lot of DevOps includes security, just it's never called out. I've been in dedicated security roles since 2016, making it all the way to lead security engineer and leading a team of 2 other people. Still I can barely get an interview and when I do get an interview, it ends with "We like you but we're going with another candidate or we don't feel your senior enough. Let me briefly highlight some of the gold nuggets I remember from my recent interviews.

* I did a 30 minute interview for a security architect position at a media company. It was me and another guy talking over a network diagram and the questions that need to be asked. I got all but one, which was about the hardware (Network DVR) becoming sentient and threatening physical damage.

* Did 5 hrs of interviewing for a Senior Security Engineer (detection) only to be put paired with a python developer in the end and asked to write code well beyond what the position called for. I can script and I never claimed to be a developer. But let me show you this thing called Copilot and ChatGPT, or if I need something advanced, I'll ask someone who knows more than me to help out.

* Another interview for a security architect at the local water company. They asked why I want to be a security architect, I respond with, "I'm into making sure security is baked into platforms as it's being designed, it's more optimal that way over shoeing in security as an after thought.". Hiring manager replies with "We've been around for over 100 years, we don't design anything new."

* I interviewed at a major password management company (the biggest) and was talking about their recent breach. In the aftermath they claimed to be encrypting all fields going forward, interview confirmed they lied and are not doing it now. I complained about vendors lying as they lied to me during a vendor review at my previous job. HR let me know later that they "liked me but decided to go with another candidate", probably one that doesn't care.

* I've had two jobs basically ghost me, say they wanted to create a new job position that fits all of my skills then go radio silent.

* A place that rhymes with dox had me interview with someone who thought a WAF can stop malware / ransomware from spreading on a internal network. I didn't know if this was a test to see if I corrected him or not, and if I corrected him will that blow my chances. The recruiter brushed me off and didn't respond for over a month after the interview.

* A few other interviews have turned into dick measuring contests on who knows the most irrelevant crap.

I've applied at jobs that I check every single box on their job posting and they don't even give me the time of day for a conversation before receiving a rejection. I'm getting tired and frustrated with the screwed up practices we've allowed to grow in our industry.

Re: I worked 80 hour weeks to deliver a platform for a hedge fund,then they fired me

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post #41

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>Nobody in the right mind will fire key software engineer 48 hours after system goes live. Thats the thing. Hedge funds are not managed by people in their right minds

Is this cope or are you basing it on something? Because it's actually somewhat of a problem that high finance sucks in so many extremely bright and intelligent people. I'm sure there are chuds in the HF industry just like any other sector but by and large most people working in those firms are some of the most capable society has to offer.

To be fair you can be a 'chud' and be very capable still. Especially in finance. Based on my (very short) experience in the field, "competent yet apathetic/morally blank" was the norm.
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