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The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
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Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yet, you do. No, I don't. TBH, I don't really know what it would mean to generalize "I doubt I'm unique, nor even unusual". Would that be something like "I doubt anyone's unique, nor even unusual"? I certainly didn't say anything like that.
the claim that you are not unusual is blatantly you generalising from your own experience! You didn't even bother with the figleaf of "and I know many others like me"...
> is blatantly you generalising from your own experience
It's not. "Generalising" means taking an individual observation, and drawing conclusions about all cases (or a large class of cases). I think you're saying that "I'm not unusual" is a canonical example of generalization, i.e. claiming that my case applies to a large class. But I didn't make that claim.
It's possible that my observation was wrong - that I am unusual. But that would mean that the majority of my recent colleagues were also unusual, because I don't think more than a tiny fraction of them had Github accounts.
Given a specimen case, and absent evidence to the contrary, it's a mistake to suppose that specimen case is unique or unusual. It's much more likely to be common. And if you discover similar cases, then it's definitely not unique, and unlikely to be unusual.
But I think this is litigious point-scoring; I say that having a Github account is not a good discriminator for "software developer". If you disagree, please explain why, instead of claiming that I contradicted myself by saying I wasn't generalising in a post that contained a "blatant generalisation".
[Note: I'm a brit, trying to transition gracefully from "-ise" to "-ize"; I'm having trouble internali[zs]ing the rules.]
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#63Someone should compile this against each country population number. Would be interesting to get an approx number of coders per 1000 people in each country. And then perhaps run it against natality rates. Github list they used as a source : https://github.com/github/innovationgraph/blob/main/data/dev...
> Would be interesting to get an approx number of coders per 1000 people
Isn't everyone a coder? You are going to be exposed to it at school, if nothing else. Which, assuming the numbers bear any reflection to reality, is what I expect a lot of the accounts to be (that is, students).
But as far as those who do it professionally, as of November 2022, Statistics Canada reports 301,875 people under "Computer, software and Web designers and developers". There were 2.1 million GitHub accounts in that year.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#64I wouldnt trust this data that much. I recently noticed many github accounts which only seem to contain solutions for exercises in a programming courses, iirc most from from india. This seems to match this survey. My 2 cts, probably this just shows countries where schools prefer to use github over their own infrastructure, or else students being creative in sharing their solutions outside of school.
Do you think there's any correlation between "fastest-growing for software development" and "number of people who do software development exercises"?
That assumes that the only way to do software development exercises is via public GitHub repos.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
the claim that you are not unusual is blatantly you generalising from your own experience! You didn't even bother with the figleaf of "and I know many others like me"...
> is blatantly you generalising from your own experience It's not. "Generalising" means taking an individual observation, and drawing conclusions about all cases (or a large class of cases). I think you're saying that "I'm not unusual" is a canonical example of generalization, i.e. claiming that my case applies to a large class. But I didn't make that claim. It's possible that my observation was wrong - that I am unu…
Yeah you're unusual, which sector do you work in?
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think there's any correlation between "fastest-growing for software development" and "number of people who do software development exercises"?
"Fast growing" alone doesn't mean a whole lot. Take for example, you have a million engineers in the UK, you have 100 in Pakistan. Year after year, you add 100 more engineers in Pakistan, and 100,000 in the UK. Pakistan is the "fastest growing" in this situation year after year after year, but it will never catch up with the UK.
> but it will never catch up with the UK
Well, overpopulation would balance the scales eventually.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> is blatantly you generalising from your own experience It's not. "Generalising" means taking an individual observation, and drawing conclusions about all cases (or a large class of cases). I think you're saying that "I'm not unusual" is a canonical example of generalization, i.e. claiming that my case applies to a large class. But I didn't make that claim. It's possible that my observation was wrong - that I am unu…
Yeah you're unusual, which sector do you work in?
I'm retired now. I spent most of the last 10 years of my career working for web-shops, mainly making Drupal-based websites using custom modules. This is the kind of work that the majority of developers do; it's not unusual, it's the norm.
[Edit] Just noticed that the commenters above that seem to agree that I'm unusual, are all different commenters. I'm puzzled that people think I'm unusual, even to the point of asking about the work I do/did. But the sub-conversation is about Github; I presume that most of these commenters is a Github user, who works in Githubby environments, and so is exposed to a lot of Github users.
I'm really not very unusual; I'm just an opinionated graybeard old-fart software geek, like a lot of us. We all have strong opinions about what software we're prepared to try to cooperate with.
I found git over-complicated, and Github quickly became like a cross between LinkedIn and a sort of Facebook for coders. I never trusted it at all.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#68Ah yes, the old “percent growth” joke. All of these are growth by one unit: 0 t0 1: infinite % growth 1 to 2: 100% growth 10 to 11: 10% 100 to 101: 1% “Fastest growing” often means “smallest starting number.”
568,145 is not a small starting number.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah you're unusual, which sector do you work in?
I'm retired now. I spent most of the last 10 years of my career working for web-shops, mainly making Drupal-based websites using custom modules. This is the kind of work that the majority of developers do; it's not unusual, it's the norm. [Edit] Just noticed that the commenters above that seem to agree that I'm unusual, are all different commenters. I'm puzzled that people think I'm unusual, even to the point of aski…
I agree with Git being overcomplicated, and the commands being a semantic mess, although they have improved somewhat over the years. I also didn't like how Github became some defacto self promotion thing. However, very few developers now don't use github to some degree in my experience (UK), bearing in mind so many new developers are/were being created each year compared to the past the more seasoned developers are becoming a vastly diminishing percentage.
Re: The fastest-growing countries for software development, according to GitHub
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This is crazy to me as someone from the private sector. You all just code where the world can see?
I have "me at home" and "me at work" accounts, I don't generally create a new at-work account for each job. Maybe I should. I've been trying to do more hobbyist work in public repos. It's not like there's a Greek chorus waiting to pounce on every mistake. Truth is, nobody cares. It's freeing, in a way, because "I'll publish it when it's done" actually means "I'll never publish it at all".
Yeah, it's sometimes even hard to make code owners look at the complete feature PR to their codebase. There's 99.9% probability that 100% of 'geeking out' on github in public repositories will never be browsed by anybody.
I also find having some public activity on my gh to give me an ability to include it into the resume. It's a good conversation starter for many people from my experience.