Working in the Vision Pro [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by cpuguy83 » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:29 PM UTC

lexlash wrote: post #37

avalys wrote: post #33

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The pass through is indeed very fuzzy. All the reviews where people state “it’s like looking through clear safety goggles”, etc. are bogus. It’s like looking through a cell phone camera from about 10 years ago. Especially in low light (e.g. a home office.) The actual AR content, though, is amazingly sharp.

Side by side with a Meta Quest 3, it’s honestly a full generation ahead, so I can see why reviewers are impressed. (I don’t have a quest pro on hand to compare with right now.) You’re absolutely correct that low light environments suck. My guess is that it’s a latency/sensor trade off leading to the constant noise.

It better be a full generation ahead at 7x-10x the cost.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by mil22 » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:31 PM UTC

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #74

mil22 wrote: post #73

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I think it very much depends on the viewing distance. Using https://qasimk.io/screen-ppd/ : * Your 22" screen at a distance of 32" has a horizontal FOV of 33°. Moving your eyes from the middle of one screen to the adjacent screen is a 33° movement. Assuming 1080p it would have a PPD of 58, which is roughly retina PPD. * My 27" screen at a distance of 20" (I measured it [update: originally measured at 14", remeasured…

I also use dark theme for everything, and I also have a browser extension for that, but I keep disabling/enabling it because sometimes things bug on dark mode. How is to be 14 inches from the screen? I wouldn't feel good being this near to the screen.

I am very near-sighted... it feels good. :)

[update: I remeasured in a more relaxed posture sitting back and it's closer to 20" in that scenario]

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by aaroninsf » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:34 PM UTC

audunw wrote: post #61

js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

I feel like it’s more or less guaranteed that Apple will end up implementing this eventually. Just as my wife and I can both connect our AirPods to the Apple TV and watch a movie while the kids are sleeping.

Indeed, and,

I have been waiting patiently for Siri to offer to read messages from you, in your voice,

which is a useful component of having an avatar which has learned your facial expressions, and voice, and communication style, proxy for you.

They have the data. They're good at repackaging the squick as sparkle.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by aaroninsf » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:35 PM UTC

crtasm wrote: post #75

cubefox wrote: post #70

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This reminds me of some dystopian science fiction film where everyone is immersed in a shiny AR layer, while reality without the layer is dirty and derelict. Scene: A fancy nightclub, pretty people dancing to very loud music, surreal virtual objects and effects everywhere. Swap to reality: The music turns off. It's no longer night. An old, run-down building. Headset people in shabby clothes dancing to inaudible sound…

I've been to some excellent parties in buildings like that!

I've been to some of the worst parties ever like that, for sure.

EDIT (since I can't reply to myself):

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:36 PM UTC

turtlebits wrote: post #76

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

You can place and size the screens wherever you want. If this guy wants place an additional 2 screens to his left so he has to turn his head, so be it. The fact that tech allows you to experiment with any screen config/layout is pretty amazing.

Sure, but the FoV is still much more limited with the AVP than the one you have IRL with your own eyes.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by paxys » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:38 PM UTC

Not being able to break out and spatially arrange different Mac windows on this thing is a major deal breaker right now. I don’t really care about all the apps published to the store. For real productivity I want a full desktop computer in front of me.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by kcrwfrd_ » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:39 PM UTC

kraftman wrote: post #67

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

100% agree with this. I've tried dual and triple screens over the years but what's stuck for me is a 43inch 4k monitor, its about the biggest I can go without having to move my head too much

Hah I have a 43” 4k at home with a tiling window manager called yabai. It’s nice because it also works for my Xbox or watching movies.

But at work I have a triple monitor setup and to me that’s the definitive holy grail for a workspace.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by 12_throw_away » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

So, what's the equivalent of carpal tunnel syndrome, but for your neck? Because that's all I could think about while watching this.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by Ancapistani » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

cubefox wrote: post #41

xnx wrote: post #15

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I'm disappointed by how shallow even "in depth" reviews are that they don't mention this. A reclined position basically eliminates weight and balance issues. Additionally, using a traditional monitor in a reclined position is very difficult.

For Meta's Quest headsets, third party manufacturers sell solid "halo" head straps, which are much more comfortable by distributing the weight mostly on top of the head instead of just pressing the headset to the face. Basically imitations of Sony's PlayStation VR. The top manufacturer is BoboVR, but they obviously haven't yet made one for the Vision Pro. I don't get why Meta and Apple don't include this as the defau…

On the bright side, the AVP's "Lightning-like" connector for the arms means that it's at least theoretically possible for third parties to design whatever mounting hardware people want.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by micromacrofoot » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

One caveat when watching screen captures like this is that they do not accurately capture the actual field of view, which is more akin to wearing an old pair of ski goggles.

The review from The Verge has a simulated view halfway down the page. The screen captures are deceptive and strongly favor Apple's marketing.

https://www.theverge.com/24054862/apple-vision-pro-review-vr...

People are nuts for walking around with public in these given how much you're limited, someone's going to get seriously injured because they missed something in their periphery.