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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by khzw8yyy »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #127
nradov wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the war drags on we can expect to see escalation in Ukrainian strikes against Russian infrastructure targets such as refineries. Russia is already short of air defense systems and isn't able to provide much coverage for civilian targets. Whether this works will depend on the level of sustained foreign aid for Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/01/25/ukrain...

Depends on if Trump takes the Whitehouse in the fall and how European elections go :-( In either case, even a Ukrainian defeat means Russia will be a pariah state to countries with reasonable governance. Trade will be difficult and diminished, same as it is with Iran. Putin&Lavrov have clearly made this calculation and decided this is in their own interests. Whether it's in the interest of the Russian people I think…

It's interesting that you bring up Iran. They are actually doing pretty well considering that the US stole all their foreign currency reserves (and also precipitated the original conflict in the first place).

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

twixfel wrote: post #169
whimsicalism wrote: post #146

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Of course it is not just their choice. Russia has indicated their willingness to accept current holdings (for now, you are right there are no guarantees). Ukraine could and should get better than just that, but this notion of taking back Crimea is a pipe dream and I don’t support continued funding until that goal is realized.

If you want to be extremely cynical and seek to strictly extend and project the USA's power as harshly and effectively as possible, the war in Ukraine was God's gift to the USA. They get to basically take out Russia (China's key geopolitical ally) without losing a single American life, for a tiny fraction of the amount they're used to spending on wars. And yet it's American nationalists themselves who want it all to…

You are assuming I am some Trump American-first Republican. I think you are severely misjudging the politics of Ukraine support in the US, which has collapsed in the last few months.

Perhaps I am opposed to harsh projections of American power in an increasingly multipolar world? The global playing field is leveling, I think that is precisely the wrong time to be making even bitterer enemies.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by saintfire »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #117
rurp wrote: post #112

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So do countries, if we're looking at a long enough time scale. There is no end in sight for the war in Ukraine and when the end comes it's likely to be messy. It might be more of a pause than a true end, and one or both sides will likely be pretty unhappy with the outcome. It could be many years before Russia and the west go back to a comfortable economic relationship.

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No comment on your politics but saying "Prove me wrong" is basically just saying "Argue with me".

You can rarely prove a prediction or opinion wrong, especially if they're this vague. Only time can, sometimes.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by skotobaza »

thriftwy wrote: post #41
vlovich123 wrote: post #35

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OP is describing it as an analogy of what the equivalent action by Alphabet would be and it’s pretty accurate - Yandex search remains in Moscow while the rest of Yandex operations (eg cloud) remains in the EU.

95% of what Yandex N.V. owns is ООО Яндекс business in Russia. I don't even believe they are keeping Yandex assets in Belarus and Kazakhstan. So that becomes a box that is mostly empty. I don't believe anybody is going to pay for actual Yandex Cloud in Europe where they have AWS and Hetzner. So even Russia-based Yandex Cloud with actual racks and users remains in Moscow. What they may keep is vague "cloud technologie…

ClickHouse is a separate company now as far as I know.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

cpursley wrote: post #170
whimsicalism wrote: post #126

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Given the move from Russia to Israel and the timing of when most Russian techies left, I suspect it is more out of fear of the draft than out of principle. Not that I blame them - I doubt I would leave the US even during an unjust war… but a draft?

> most Russian techies left This was about them getting paid fat paychecks from western clients/employers not out of draft fears.

Not a new phenom, whereas the draft is.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by kristiandupont »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #50
charcircuit wrote: post #40

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>but you're average, non-tech industry, person in NA has essentially no need or situation when they would run into Yandex They have the most popular reverse image search tool now that Google got rid of theirs

Yep, and surprisingly good too (I use it daily).

What are those searches? I am curious because I've used reverse image search 3-4 times in my life. It's just not something I think of..

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by skotobaza »

H8crilA wrote: post #140
elzbardico wrote: post #103

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Most Americans knowledge of Russia is based on movies depicting the Yeltsin era during the 90s. For them Moscow is like a giant prohibition era Chicago in a cyberpunk scenario.

Fast forward to 2020s - the gangs are now reorganized under the Siloviki, the "strong man". Methods have changed from being shot in the street to being defenestrated. Meanwhile the state uses beatings and barrier troops to enforce military discipline at war. It also castrates and starves POWs and performs organized, list-based murder on the territories that it occupies. I could go on and on, but yeah. Russia fundamen…

> preemptive compliance, learned helplessness, lack of civil society, and the culture of violence, ranks, racism and humiliation

First I seriously doubt that other countries moved away from that. Second I don't notice these things as much here (in the capital at least). People see only what they want to see I guess...

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by twixfel »

whimsicalism wrote: post #172
twixfel wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to be extremely cynical and seek to strictly extend and project the USA's power as harshly and effectively as possible, the war in Ukraine was God's gift to the USA. They get to basically take out Russia (China's key geopolitical ally) without losing a single American life, for a tiny fraction of the amount they're used to spending on wars. And yet it's American nationalists themselves who want it all to…

You are assuming I am some Trump American-first Republican. I think you are severely misjudging the politics of Ukraine support in the US, which has collapsed in the last few months. Perhaps I am opposed to harsh projections of American power in an increasingly multipolar world? The global playing field is leveling, I think that is precisely the wrong time to be making even bitterer enemies.

Yes I am assuming that very much, but it does not matter that much, either you're America first or you agree with their foreign policy anyway on Ukraine. I understand that Ukraine support has been politicised even when it should not be. This says much more about the utterly dysfunctional state of American politics and the decline of American society whereby you're seriously entertaining reelecting Trump next year. It does not say much at all about Ukraine. If it were not Ukraine, it would simply be something else equally irrelevant to domestic American politics but equally politicised.

>Perhaps I am opposed to harsh projections of American power in an increasingly multipolar world?

I don't know, are you? Put another way the USA is helping support a free and independent country against an imperial genocidal conqueror. Isn't that what the USA is kind of supposed to do? Otherwise what exactly does it stand for?

Or another way: In forcing "détente" on Europe, are you happy to trade good relations with most of Europe, your oldest allies, for maybe better relations with Russia, your enemy who hates you and seeks your destruction? Really? Sounds like a shit and moronic deal to me.

>The global playing field is leveling, I think that is precisely the wrong time to be making even bitterer enemies.

It's too late lad. Russia hates you even more than they hate your mother country, my homeland, the UK. In fact Russia hates you more than any other country on the planet. They utterly despise you and Anglo-American cultural hegemony. In for a penny, in for a pound and all that. They've been working to undermine the USA since well before the war started. There is no going back any time soon. Instead you advocate surrender to the same people who wish to destroy you. Weak.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by thriftwy »

swdev281634 wrote: post #137
thriftwy wrote: post #52

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I am Russian and personally I know nobody with the former or the latter experience. I don't doubt such cases exist somewhere out there. But the prevalence of such revelations is from people re-posting emigrant press, who often do not have any firsthand Russia experience for a few years now.

> personally I know nobody with the former or the latter experience I have personally received threats of having such experience, from a director of the company I was working for at that time. Happened in Moscow around 2010. The director was from FSB, unfortunately the company forgot to mention that detail in the job ad. > emigrant press, who often do not have any firsthand Russia experience LOL. The reason you only…

> local journalists don't want to be murdered in a forest

I can see this pronounced difference between Palestinean journalists and journalists specializing in Russia.

The former are present on the ground and fall victim to the current military conflict.

The latter are comfortable writing about Russia from their rented Israeli or German flats, while not setting the foot in Russia in years. That would be way too dangerous. Unsurprisingly they are not having much cred with actual Russians who do live there.

Not to mention setting their foot in the area of the conflict and having a firsthand experience of what happens there on the Russian side of the front. That would be an absolute taboo.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by bnralt »

hobs wrote: post #86
HideousKojima wrote: post #78

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>(I still don't get exactly what the point of Afghanistan or Iraq was, even accepting the blunt "oil" that is sometimes given out). Are you serious? At least on the Afghanistan one? The war in Afghanistan began because the Taliban refused to extradite Osama Bin Laden (and several other terrorist, but Osama was the biggest one), it's pretty straightforward.

No, the taliban did not refuse to do that - Bush refused to take him * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.te... * https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80482&page=1

From the first link:

> In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".

> The offer came a day after the Taliban's supreme leader rebuffed Bush's "second chance" for the Islamic militia to surrender Bin Laden to the US.

> Mullah Mohammed Omar said there was no move to "hand anyone over".

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