Fun fact, an assortment of misdrilled holes is called a 'clusterfuck'.
Depends in the misdrills. Can be as easy as redrilling with a larger diameter to fix. Not every Boeing issue is a clusterfuck.
Admittedly not that hilarious, but whoosh.
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's frequently framed as an issue with Boing now having an accounting-driven culture instead of an engineering-driven culture. In that framing a CEO with engineering background is a logical choice to effect that culture change.
It was arguably under Muilenberg, an engineer, that many of the current issues with Boeing's culture were either created or allowed to flourish. I think it is "frequently framed" as an engineers-vs-accountants thing by engineers or others who like to think that STEM people can do no wrong.
I am an engineee of sorts, and have zero illusions about the shit engineers can cause, and do.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Ryanair buying MAX's at a discount I mean, to be fair this plays right into Ryanair's strategy. Want a door plug? Pay extra.
No, want a door plug? Pay less (as you would be paying by risking your life).
Yea they could play it both ways, before and after the plug leaves the plane...
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is irrational. Since November 2001, there has been one death aboard a major airline operating in the U.S.[1]. That was a Southwest flight where an entire engine self-destructed. It was an issue with the CFM engine, Not with anything Boeing did. You might choose to include one more. An Asiana flight tumbled end over end after arriving short at SFO. Everyone survived the crash, but a passenger was killed when an eme…
Your own link doesn't back that up. A Delta Connections commuter flight killed 49 in Lexington, KY in 2013.
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#105I happen to have quite a bit of first-hand knowledge about aerospace rivets. AMA.
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#106I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…
Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.
> Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back.
I'd argue they need an effective engineering culture, and leadership that enables and values and fights for it, not a former-engineer figurehead. Good engineers within Boeing need to be enabled to do their job properly, within normal business constraints, and bad engineers need to be removed. The business needs to understand that good engineering is a necessity and a profit centre in aerospace.
I don't know how they'd achieve this change. The company seems to have rotted from the head down since it merged with McDonnel Douglas, and its possible that the senior leadership lack the self awareness to comprehend the problem.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you including only US airlines for comparing a plane model's safety? That seems very convenient. And even worse you are using other planes data as well.
Because most readers of this site are American, and fly on airlines from the US. When assessing their risk, it makes sense to use US statistics.
Hi non American here, I have never and likely will never fly on an American airline, but I'd very much like to not die because some dickhead cut costs and another dickhead drilled the wrong holes in a part.
The implicit assumption that all readers are Americans is ridiculous enough, making it an explicit reason for fudging the numbers to make a tire fire of public safety seem like it's just a dumpster fire is absurd.
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Musk is an interesting standards bearer for sanity.
> Musk is an interesting standards bearer for sanity. Think what you will about Musk, but SpaceX has completely revolutionized space travel and will be in the history books a hundred years from now.
And dozens of his projects have utterly failed. Remember The Boring Company? Hyperloop? The-site-formerlly-and-forever-known-as-Twitter-until-Musk-ruined-it?
Throw an unlimited supply of darts and you're going to get a few bulleyes. Doesn't make you the worlds greatest dart's player.
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Airlines can switch your plane after you've booked already.
JetBlue doesn't fly any Boeing planes so as long as it isn't a codeshare flight you should be great.
Better yet, fly Breeze Airways
https://www.flybreeze.com/home
which is building an all new fleet out of modern A220 and E2-Jets. Breeze is cheap enough that I am thinking about riding to some random city and discovering a reason to go there because I want to ride in an A220.
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#110Door blow out Engine on Fire 'Many loose bolts'. etc.. Now This. Have a flight in couple weeks? Time to worry?
No, because the problems aren't worse than they were a few months ago before anyone was re-inspecting things for this.
And you wouldn't have worried about this months ago, so there is no reason your worry should be greater now.
If anything your worry now should be less since they are actually double checking these things now.