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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Spotify has never automatically deleted offline content for me, but it does have extremely confusing UI which makes it very easy to wipe all downloads without confirmation. Basically, the download button is a single down-arrow at the top of your library. When you tap it—and download your music–the down-arrow turns solid green to indicate your music is available offline. It doesn't disappear. It turns green , Spotify'…

Really makes you wonder what "designers" get paid for.

A product manager needed to change stuff to justify their job. A designer who isn't changing things that the product manager wants changed is replaced by one who does. Therefore, designers get paid for doing what product managers want.

Sometimes the changes get A/B tested, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the A/B test is gamed, sometimes it gets gamed by accident, and sometimes the tests get ignored when they are clearly wrong.

Finally, sometimes the directive is "get people to stop using this feature because it's unpopular with management".

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I remember there was a movie whose creators decided to get super strict about piracy. They made sure the movie was not available on any pirate website. And they indeed were able to achieve that. However, the movie financially failed. The reason was that nobody heard about the movie — there were no pirates to let the world know about it.

Don’t fight with pirates. Treat them as your free, word of mouth marketing channel.

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I think media like TV/Movies might be fundamentally different than games because of how easy it is to serve pirated content. With games there's a lot of friction with getting cracks working and risks with malware while with TV/Movies you just watch them in your browser. Recently my friends showed me a pirate site that I'm in awe hasn't been taken down. Don't think I can post a link here but it has all the things I'd…

> Being honest as long as something like this is available I don't really see what a site like netflix could offer that would convince me to pay Most people are honest, and will do the the legal thing when faced with two equal options. If the choice is between that UI but it's illegal, and a reskin of that UI but it's £30/mo, I'd pay. But it's not, as the other comments here said. It's a choice between that for free…

You wanting everything for £30 is just not a sustainable cost though. They would lose money like that.

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Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

I think fragmentation is a legitimate problem for end-users but I don’t know how to solve it exactly, because the most obvious alternative is a monopoly where everything is on just one service (and we all know about the bad effects a monopoly can have). Maybe a system where multiple different services offer the exact same content library or something similar, but a good solution will require some thought I think.

Imagine old school TVs. It would be the same problem as if you had TV be hard wired to a physical channel. You need to have 3 TVs at home to watch different channels. That’s what’s happening today.

The solution is easy technically speaking and has been solved for decades. It’s called interoperability.

Now, the issue is businesses don’t like it. Even though the customer value is huge. Why? Because there’s something they want more than to sell content: to control access. Your player, your recommendations, promotions for more of their content. Heck, why not triple dip and throw in some ads and data harvesting too? The end goal of platform control is to become the only one. Dominance, like Spotify. Then: relax, lean back, raise prices, and watch the stock ticker.

So they only like interoperability when they are small and growing, and then do a 180 when they get bigger. Their end goal is incompatible with yours, the consumer. Back in the day, governments or similar neutral-ground organizations enforced/supported interop (telephone, radio, tv, etc) not perfectly, but enough to break the prisoners dilemma of monopoly-seeking competing businesses. Of course, that’s gone now, in the US. Standards support (the carrot) is only for rudimentary tech, like encryption, and anti-trust (the whip) is back in some other century going after hypothetical cartoon villains.

So… either one of them wins, or a duopoly, whatever is acceptable to the average consumer. Or, more likely, it remains like this: a fragmented shit cocktail and losses to piracy. This works as intended – piracy is an extremely good pressure valve and canary litmus for market failure.

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They cannot help themselves. Just like buying and watching a DVD/bluray was much worse than a pirated copy, as the DVD/bluray made you sit through an increasing amount of unskippable content. From "do not steal this" to "not for kids" or, worst of all, "did you see this other content?". Btw. Ads in front of streaming content I just selected, to tell me about other streaming content on the same service I did NOT selec…

Wait there was unskippable content on DVD/Bluray?? What nonsense is that. That makes no sense at all.

The worst part of it was when it was time-based advertising content. We were forced to watch commercials for "coming soon" content that was going through a marketing cycle but often turned out to be garbage.

So before you even get to the launch menu for this specific movie you selected, you're subjected to a trailer for a 20 year old movie with a 24% on rotten tomatoes. And an advertisement for a pizza restaurant. And a threat that the film company is going to take all their movies and put them in a vault for 10 years so you really need to go buy more DVDs from them.

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> Therefore, subscriptions for games are not a big thing yet (I doubt it will ever be) World of warcraft has had a subscription for 20 years and is wildly successful. PSN has a monthly subscription where you get 2-3 games per month added to your account that you can play as long as you're still subscribed. Gamepass has 25+ million subscribers [0] > I'm not OK with paying $70 a month Honest question, why not? That's w…

$840 a year just on watching TV is heaps. $4200 over 5 years. That's a fair wack cash.

No it isn't. Compare that to any other activity and the price would be similar for how often you do it. If you eat out once a week you'd be paying a similar amount if not more. Most people watch things more than once a week.

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This is HACKER news, our central ethos is (should be) all information wants to be free. Sad to see the desire to pay for content is getting upvoted.

> all information wants to be free Including your personal information, browsing habits, purchase history, genome, genetic disorders, medical history, sexual partners, kinks, embarrassing photos and videos, moments of social faux pas, biggest fears, darkest secrets, cheating, illegal behaviors, personal psychiatrist notes, privileged lawyer information, passwords, private keys, bitcoin keys, financial statements, tax…

Based on the frequency of data leaks and such, very much yes, that information tends toward finding freedom. Attempts to secure such records are necessary because they "want" to be free. Avoid leaving a trail of that information where you can, and keep as much as possible off the internet.

The notion of "information wants to be free" should be taken as an observation about the nature of things and the folly of corporations trying to have it both ways—information made broadly available yet on their exact terms—not as a value statement on any inherent goodness behind freeing information.

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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No subscriber told streaming services that they needed to drop literal billions of dollars on content production. I do not want to subsidize their poor decision making. This is why streaming is so expensive.

They did say that, when they decided that what is playing is actually important to them, so if I can't get my Star Trek on my Netflix, I'm not going to pay for Netflix, it means that everyone has to make their own, exclusive content.

The thing is, if I want my Star Trek, I want my Star Trek, not some substitute…

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> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

> It was inevitable given how things work. It's like every technology: if this is how things work, and they are suboptimal, the optimal solution will be applied. If we say "oh to bad, it's how it's established", then people will go against the establishment if that means better capabilities. > How could you "fix" it? Take a look at the music industry, they have solved it pretty well. I can stream everything on Spotif…

The reason it works for spotify is because musicians get fuck all on it. This doesn't work with film and TV because they are unionised and have to be paid a certain amount.
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