Live data from Hacker News

A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

nytimes.com

201–210 of 350 posts

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#201
post #200

The real killer is the lack of an authenticator app. I'd be interested to know what other people use for that purpose if they're not carrying a mobile.

I use my password manager’s built-in TOTP generator, and a Yubikey whenever possible. There are some SMS-only services but that’s a very small minority.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a fairly calm person and not many things produce anger in me, but seeing someone on their phone while driving is one of the few things that make me rage.

The topic that interests me more is the effect on the general population of addictive apps so if you're going to one-track this onto your pet peeve I'm gonna peace out; it's pretty obvious that using the phone while driving is a bad idea, there's just not a lot left to say on the topic, it's all been said... more interested in discussing a new and vibrant topic than something that's been literally done to death, I me…

I don’t think smartphones are your problem.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#203
post #83

I am so glad to see this backlash. It's been a long time coming. We've tried smartphones out for the past... oh, decade and change. They've been around longer, but were niche enough that they didn't dominate society, and even around the start of the iPhone era, "Crackberry" and such were common enough terms (with "Put all your devices in the center, whoever picks theirs up first buys the next round" being a fun game…

> The results are solidly in: They're an utter disaster for most people, and for society at large. In no particular order, they ruin social interactions in public situations (think "talking to people in the grocery line" - though I've seen fewer people on their phones lately and can get some conversations going), I’m in the age group that is just old enough to remember adult life before everyone had smartphones. Hone…

It's a dual-use lean back and lean forwards device. Lean back technologies like the TV and reddit are the problem. Your smartphone use is lean-forwards. For others it's lean back. Phones have accelerometers in them, maybe they could determine if you're leaning back and enforce a time limit if you are leaning too far back.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#204
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The results are solidly in: They're an utter disaster for most people, and for society at large. In no particular order, they ruin social interactions in public situations (think "talking to people in the grocery line" - though I've seen fewer people on their phones lately and can get some conversations going), I’m in the age group that is just old enough to remember adult life before everyone had smartphones. Hone…

Totally agree. While I certainly spent too much time on reddit, there is so much more. I can add to your list messaging with friends, quick payments, uber/train/flight apps, 2FA auth, spotify, quick queries to chatgpt, tracking workouts. I even use instagram mainly to keep in touch with acquaintances outside of my close friend circle and learning about interesting events.

Instagram is the only point I’ll disagree on - it’s mostly become promoted content with friends content representing a fraction of what you’re being exposed to

Best is to not have the app and use it through the browser to avoid mindlock

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to have phone / no phone sections ( or chat / no chat ) in places like subways, airports, etc. I love taking to random people but don't want to bother then if they don't want to talk. Having kids helps inasmuch as my eldest will talk to every kid she sees and that usually means at least a hello to the parent.

Have those ever existed though, really? I used to take a long bus or train most weekends, before smartphones were everywhere, and the vast majority of people were using earphones or reading - not talking to strangers.

I did long train journeys weekly between 25 and 15 years ago, approximately. I've chatted with a lot of people, and had quite some interesting discussions.

Of course people were reading, and/or wearing headphones (mostly younger people), but not all of them. And many were open to conversation even though. Sometimes you read a book to pass the time, but you can be as well interested to a random exchange with a stranger. I was also reading in the train and often wearing headphones, but that didn't prevent conversations from happening. I think that people were less taking book-or-headphones as a signal that you don't want to be disturbed. The experience could also be relatively different depending on what the train population is (e.g. whether the train is filled with tired commuting people or with people coming back from a week-end break).

I'm not taking the train as much recently, but people are clearly more isolated into their smartphones now. And have to say, sometimes discussions still do happen.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been back on a dumbphone for quite some time now. i use the web almost exclusively on laptop - when i am mobile i don't want to be connected to it. whatsapp works great in the browser on a laptop. if you only have a dumbphone you can use your number to register the whatsapp "app" on any tablet and can then log in on any other browser you want to use it on. works super nice.

Wait what? Since when can you use Whatsapp on a laptop? That and maps are the only reason I still have a smart-phone.

It's possible since at least 2 years, maybe more. You still need a smartphone to create the account, but apparently you don't need the phone to be online, at least not all the time, not sure if it keeps working if it's offline for months. (note I'm not a Whatsapp user, so maybe it changed again or I didn't fully see something...)

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#207

It is unfortunate that the phone hardware companies have an interest in you using their phone more, otherwise they'd make it easier to manage your phone usage better. The screentime app in iPhone for example is so easy to bypass as a user even when you were the one who limited certain apps usage. I want an app that strictly locks away my access to an app and also suppresses notifications. Is that so hard to build? It…

I had this exact problem and I found an app called ScreenZen, which is built on top of Screentime in iOS and you can use it to block specific sites and apps pretty effectively. It just minimizes the app and doesn't let you access it.

I am now using it to easy off some sites and I've set a couple of 7 minutes sessions per day and I've limited my time time considerably in the last month

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic that interests me more is the effect on the general population of addictive apps so if you're going to one-track this onto your pet peeve I'm gonna peace out; it's pretty obvious that using the phone while driving is a bad idea, there's just not a lot left to say on the topic, it's all been said... more interested in discussing a new and vibrant topic than something that's been literally done to death, I me…

I don’t think smartphones are your problem.

I don't have a problem, I'm just unsure as to why that conversation went the way it did; we're talking about addictive apps and all of a sudden the topic is phone use while driving? Okay I guess but... what conversation are we really having here and why? Odd.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe it's a genuine human-to-human interaction which helps healing these...

Small talk isn't one of these, however. "Third spaces" (guided meeting place that's relatively loose and not work or home) are sorely missing because running one is not very profitable. By the way, pubs aren't one of those really, as they're too unstructured.

[deleted]

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

#210
post #83

I am so glad to see this backlash. It's been a long time coming. We've tried smartphones out for the past... oh, decade and change. They've been around longer, but were niche enough that they didn't dominate society, and even around the start of the iPhone era, "Crackberry" and such were common enough terms (with "Put all your devices in the center, whoever picks theirs up first buys the next round" being a fun game…

The videos coming out of people walking around, driving, on the subway, or otherwise in public places with Vision Pros interacting with invisible computers I hope is a shocking enough image that we don’t go down that road but I guess it’s just going to become what people see as normal.

If nothing else it makes it obvious who is trying to plug themselves into the matrix so you can stay away.

Post reply on HN