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A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I appreciate how this article acknowledges that once an addicting device is in our hands, we are to some degree at its mercy. So the best intervention is environmental: get rid of the device.

I employ a lightweight version: in my home is a "charging station" where it is easy to place a device and then forget about it. Some days I don't even see my phone until noon. If I drop my device at the charging station when I walk past it or when I get home, it's likely I won't pick it up for many hours. This practice has been a game changer for elongating my attention span and conducting myself with greater presence.

Notes:

- There's no downside to this strategy; I still have a 2-factor auth device, maps for travel, music for car rides, convenient contactless payment, etc.

- The charging station should be away from the main living areas and bedroom – mine is in a hallway's open cupboard near the main entrance.

- The "charging" part of the charging station is a misnomer, you don't have to charge anything, but the label serves as an enticement to drop off the device.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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> The only issue is my smartphone is now my GPS, my payment method, my home lighting controller, my car/house key, and my health tracker. If you use GPS only for navigation in a car, get a Garmin or something similar. Payment: Is it that hard to use a CC like most people do...? I only recently used my phone for payments (lost card and was waiting for replacement), and did not find it any more convenient than using a…

I understand your points. My macro point was that the smartphone introduced several very sticky conveniences, so I kept my smartphone instead of adopting a light phone or similar device. Instead, I am working on treating it as an appliance or a utility device vs. a constant extension of my arm. For example, my two vehicles can be accessed via a smartphone key/app or a card in my wallet. So my wallet is slimmer than b…

Most of the time I need to turn light on when I go to another room, but then I pass by the switch anyway.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I have an e ink smartphone, specifically a Hisense A9. It has the same screen as a Kindle. It is wonderful for productive stuff like reading, messaging is passable, and videos are pretty much unusable. It's wonderful, I've read so many books now.

I considered the Hisense but talked myself out of it because of Android and lack of updates. Part of me thinks I should just go for it, because I read a lot on my smartphone and miss Android’s Moon+ Reader - with Goldendict for Startdict/Lingvo dictionaries, it made a killer combo for reading foreign language texts with many new words. Videos being unusable would be a fantastic QoL feature.

Onyx Palma plus my iPhone SE dual carrying is the ticket.

I use the phone as a 4G hotspot, Apple Music, plus apps such as Uber, Waze, wallet, etc. No social networks (LinkedIn and Reddit only on desktop browser), no messaging.

Apple Watch replaced with Casio GShock (solar powered and automatically adjusted via radio, expect it to last 20 years)

Palma has WhatsApp and telegram, outlook (closed most of the time) and reading apps.Podcasts too.

Most sites are consumed via RSS. PDF to Readwise for read later, notes on desktop Obsidian.

I can use Organic Maps in the Palma, and most tickets via QR. I try to force myself not to use the iPhone at all on the street except one of those cases (recharge public transport ticket, camera, payment, etc)

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I am so glad to see this backlash. It's been a long time coming. We've tried smartphones out for the past... oh, decade and change. They've been around longer, but were niche enough that they didn't dominate society, and even around the start of the iPhone era, "Crackberry" and such were common enough terms (with "Put all your devices in the center, whoever picks theirs up first buys the next round" being a fun game…

> The results are solidly in: They're an utter disaster for most people, and for society at large. In no particular order, they ruin social interactions in public situations (think "talking to people in the grocery line" - though I've seen fewer people on their phones lately and can get some conversations going),

I’m in the age group that is just old enough to remember adult life before everyone had smartphones.

Honestly, it’s getting weird to read people’s unrealistically idealistic descriptions of life before smartphones. I don’t recall people striking up conversations in grocery lines before smart phones, nor would I have been interested in it.

I think people also downplay how much smartphones just replaced rampant TV consumption for people who like to be entertained constantly. The same people who can’t entertain themselves without their smartphone and who consume toxic content would probably be sitting in front of TVs and watching Jerry Springer type shows instead of scrolling /r/relationships or watching Fox News talking heads instead of whatever weird political thing they’re consuming.

Smartphones changed many things, but the idyllic offline-first fantasies I keep reading about weren’t reality before smartphones either.

If you find yourself unable to moderate consumption, then ditching the smartphone is a good idea for you. However, I reject the idea that all techies need to reject technology and smartphones and embrace an extremist anti-position on the matter. Personally, I handle smartphone usage just fine as do most of the adults around me.

People should recognize when they have a problem, but projecting their own solution on to everyone else is about as appealing as the person who had a problem with drinking too much trying to insist that nobody else should drink any alcohol at all either.

I also use my smartphone for important things like maps, taking photos, keeping lists, and even paying for groceries if I forget my wallet. The way some people talk about smartphones as if they were just social media scrolling devices and nothing more is entirely foreign to how I use my phone.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I used to value a random encounter with a stranger. Now, the median person is likely to be 1. Disturbed, 2. Obsessed with politics, 3. Belligerent for no reason, 4. Ready to whip out their phone camera looking for “content” or 5. Generally offended/Scared of the idea of talking to a random stranger. The last 3 or so years have turned America into a giant mental asylum and it’s starting to be not worth it to talk to a…

maybe it's a genuine human-to-human interaction which helps healing these...

Small talk isn't one of these, however. "Third spaces" (guided meeting place that's relatively loose and not work or home) are sorely missing because running one is not very profitable.

By the way, pubs aren't one of those really, as they're too unstructured.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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Most of my time-wasters (games, forums, youtube) are better on the bigger screen, which helps keep it from leaving the house with me (and keeps my smartphone usage down, in turn). The apps are there, but I don't pull out the phone for much except texts, pictures, or when I'm stuck in a quiet waiting room.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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As is most things in life, the balance is the hardest thing to achieve. I’d think of giving up my smartphone, but that’d mean I’d not be able to use WhatsApp to communicate with family and friends that are on it. Heck the parents group at my kids school is on WhatsApp. I’m not going to make everyone switch to “this other special” app. I gotta be where others are in this context. Another is Maps - it is modern conveni…

Dumbphones have cameras, so if you can't or don't want to remember a map, you can take its photo. My short term memory if good enough for that. Random installable apps are really the only edge smartphones have.

This kind of compromise probably sounds reasonable to someone trying to break an intractable smartphone addiction.

But as someone who has never really had a problem with my smartphone, taking photos of a map and trying to pan around on a dumb phone sounds like pure torture. I can’t imagine it working well for any of the locations I actually need to pull up a map for, which are almost exclusively far away and require long sets of directions.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I've been using the Cat S22 as my main device for the past month or so and have found it to be pretty much exactly what I was looking for.

It's a flip phone that runs android, so can still use whatsapp, signal, email, maps, use rideshare apps, scan qr codes, and play music, but is limited enough that I'm not scrolling on it during free interstitial moments. The screen is too small to really be useful for reading the internet or using something like instagram, but I'm not totally cut off from friends and family.

I've used other dumbphones in the past, notably the Punkt MP01 and the Light Phone II and the Cat feels like one I could use indefinitely and not have to have another device handy. The only exception I would note is that I recently got back from traveling to a foreign country and a city I'd never been and I think I would have rather had a smart phone there.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I like my smartphone and just use it consciously. How about less black/white? I don't want to quit it. And I don't think most people don't want to either, they probably just want to quit behaviour/apps and not the whole thing. It connects me to my family and friends very well. Pictures, voice messages etc. I can dump my thoughts into a notes app to be transferred into my journal later on. I can check insta for a bit of motivation (using it mindfully!). I only have hiking, offroading and trailrunning content and I'm happy with that. Checking some nature motivates me. And if the algorithm tries to fuck me over (which happens very fast), I let it be. Works for me.
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