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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by izacus »

rekoil wrote: post #529
izacus wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, also pirated content has: - 4K HDR video, not whatever the heck the buggy client delivers. - Atmos/TrueHD audio track that actually works, not whatever the broken app delivers (I'm looking at you Sky and rest of the ilk that still deliver HBO content with stereo). - Subtitles for ALL the languages, not just one or two. And those languages don't disappear when I go on a vacation, leaving me stuck with german aud…

I personally find that Spotifys offline content has worked reliably over the years. You just gotta remember that when you get a new device you have to go to library and click download and then leave Spotify open for a few hours. Spotify is also a great example of how to beat piracy. I haven't downloaded an mp3 file since I got a Spotify Premium account in 2007. OK that's probably a slight overstatement, but it's near…

I'm glad for you, but at least twice it happened to me that the songs on my phone ended up being unplayable after I enabled Airplane mode. (You just get the exclamation mark next to the supposedly downloaded tracks.)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by tonylemesmer »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

The regional licensing and delisting of titles is frustrating too. All the separate walled gardens just making it less likely folks will pay.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by gtvwill »

maccard wrote: post #531
martindbp wrote: post #465

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I think TV and games are meaningfully different. Most people tend to watch way more number of shows in a year than buying/playing video games. Video games have more replayability, so it's something you need to "own" rather than stream. Therefore, subscriptions for games are not a big thing yet (I doubt it will ever be). As it stands now, if a game I want is not on Steam, that's OK, I can just install another game sto…

> Therefore, subscriptions for games are not a big thing yet (I doubt it will ever be) World of warcraft has had a subscription for 20 years and is wildly successful. PSN has a monthly subscription where you get 2-3 games per month added to your account that you can play as long as you're still subscribed. Gamepass has 25+ million subscribers [0] > I'm not OK with paying $70 a month Honest question, why not? That's w…

$840 a year just on watching TV is heaps. $4200 over 5 years. That's a fair wack cash.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by take-five »

mgoetzke wrote: post #539
rekoil wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally find that Spotifys offline content has worked reliably over the years. You just gotta remember that when you get a new device you have to go to library and click download and then leave Spotify open for a few hours. Spotify is also a great example of how to beat piracy. I haven't downloaded an mp3 file since I got a Spotify Premium account in 2007. OK that's probably a slight overstatement, but it's near…

Apple Music and Youtube Music both suffer from the issue of vanishing content. I have playlist where a growing percentage of songs are grayed out, not available, while they do exist in the store, just as part of a different album now. Very frustrating. Does Spotify do that ?

Spotify does this too, at least in my region (Estonia). It's frustrating, but not that frustrating to go back to downloading MP3.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by histories »

histories wrote: post #429
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #27

The streaming space desperately needs consolidation right now. Every rights holder having their own service has killed a lot of the convenience because you'll now need several different services to go through an entire TV show, for instance. And also because all services other than maybe Netflix have garbage software for your various devices. Because every service also has to support 8 different platforms. Video play…

Spotify has the same songs as Apple Music, Deezer or whatever. Everything should be everywhere. Let the services compete on something other than content. Qobuz has the same songs as everyone else, but in higher quality. Because when you compete on content, piracy always wins

Some things they could compete on, just because I'm overthinking this:

- price (do I have to pay or do you offer free with ads?)

- content quality (do you have 4k movies?)

- organization (can I filter by director? Do you have a collection of all the Oscar-nominated movies from this year?)

- advanced controls (can I make a playlist of tv episodes? Maybe I want to watch a series in a different order than it was broadcasted)

- accessibility (do you have subtitles in this language?)

- extras (does this have a commentary? a trailer? the cut scenes?)

- more extras (can I pause and get the name of the actor that's on screen or the name of the song that's playing?)

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

MichaelMug wrote: post #523
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

I read this same thing a lot on Reddit and HN. It surprising to me on HN because I would assume most people on here are making good money. For my family here is the monthly spend with taxes for my area included: HBO Max $ 13.53 Hulu $ 7.21 Disney+ $ 0.18 (w/ Hulu) Paramount+ w/ Showtime $ 10.82 Apple TV+ $ 10.81 AMC+ $ 7.56 Amazon Prime $12.53 $62.64/month. Now, about 20 years ago in 2004 my parents had basic cable a…

> It surprising to me on HN because I would assume most people on here are making good money.

A lot of people are students, or just don't like paying money for a frustrating experience even if they can afford it.

> $62.64/month.

But then you haven't got access to the things which are currently on Netflix or Peacock or YoutubeTV or whatever it is this time, and feel anxious or resentful that you're paying a monthly fee for whichever one you're not currently watching, or else have to spend time canceling or re-signing up for them all the time.

> Legality aside you need a seed box, membership to specific sites, and VPN. Which can add up to more than $30/month just to download pirated content.

That's how the people who have the money do it, but they're not doing it for the money.

> Not to mention the time investment in figuring out how to get the movies and tv shows to your family members on all of their devices.

Why would that take a long time to figure out?

> A budget NAS with 20 TB is going to cost $500. A small PC to transcode also $500.

Used PCs are ~free and anyone can get 20TB of storage to put in it for https://www.amazon.com/HGST-Ultrastar-HC510-7200RPM-Drive/dp...

Also, people often have these things already.

> Backing up 20 TB to the Backblaze is going to cost $13/mo.

Why would someone pay money to back up to the internet what they downloaded from the internet to begin with?

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by xtracto »

dilippkumar wrote: post #142

I'll bite - people torrent because they have no other options. People will pay for content if they're able to access content after paying. So, here's my offer: I will build a torrent streaming site where the torrent file costs some reasonable amount of $$ per download, for fully licensed content, with zero DMA protections. If you have IP that you are willing to share on this torrent site, I will take 10% of revenue a…

The technical side has been solved for 15+ years. It's a licensing/rights issue what is screwing with the video experience.

FWIW Netflix should go back to providing physical content rental (DVD, blueray) with full catalog. Or someone should do WHAT Allofmp3 did in the 2000s with Audio and THE ROMS licensing.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by rekoil »

mgoetzke wrote: post #539
rekoil wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally find that Spotifys offline content has worked reliably over the years. You just gotta remember that when you get a new device you have to go to library and click download and then leave Spotify open for a few hours. Spotify is also a great example of how to beat piracy. I haven't downloaded an mp3 file since I got a Spotify Premium account in 2007. OK that's probably a slight overstatement, but it's near…

Apple Music and Youtube Music both suffer from the issue of vanishing content. I have playlist where a growing percentage of songs are grayed out, not available, while they do exist in the store, just as part of a different album now. Very frustrating. Does Spotify do that ?

It happens, but pretty rarely in my experience, though I'm probably not the most avid consumer of music so other people might have a better grasp of the extent of this issue on Spotify.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by Underphil »

dilippkumar wrote: post #142

I'll bite - people torrent because they have no other options. People will pay for content if they're able to access content after paying. So, here's my offer: I will build a torrent streaming site where the torrent file costs some reasonable amount of $$ per download, for fully licensed content, with zero DMA protections. If you have IP that you are willing to share on this torrent site, I will take 10% of revenue a…

I download said content and share it on a public torrent site. Your move, dilippkumar.
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