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A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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> they ruin social interactions in public situations (think "talking to people in the grocery line" I DONT WANT TO TALK to people in grocery line, especially when I don't have a phone. I perfectly ok to just stand quietly. > they're utterly toxic for teenagers sometimes, and still we have to be sure that its a phone and not society.

> I DONT WANT TO TALK to people in grocery line, especially when I don't have a phone. I perfectly ok to just stand quietly. I do! My day is almost always made better by a random encounter with a stranger. I wish I was confident enough to start those interactions myself, but I always inevitably think back to messages such as yours, and my anxiety gets the better of me.

I once encountered a psychopath like that, lol.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I have an e ink smartphone, specifically a Hisense A9. It has the same screen as a Kindle. It is wonderful for productive stuff like reading, messaging is passable, and videos are pretty much unusable. It's wonderful, I've read so many books now.

It has Android 11 as of today; with no information of upgradability. I would not ever recommend anyone to use such an outdated OS in today's world even on their secondary phone. It's just unsafe. If it is to be used as a "reader" device then, well, whatever. But in that case why not just use a "reader device" then.

What attack vector are you envisioning?

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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> The only issue is my smartphone is now my GPS, my payment method, my home lighting controller, my car/house key, and my health tracker. If you use GPS only for navigation in a car, get a Garmin or something similar. Payment: Is it that hard to use a CC like most people do...? I only recently used my phone for payments (lost card and was waiting for replacement), and did not find it any more convenient than using a…

I like my Garmin, but map updates are surprisingly expensive.

This is why I run Open Street Maps on my smartphone: OsmAnd~ gets free maps updates anytime, for life.

I'm pretty sure there was a simple OSM app for GerdaOS -- the rooted privacy a friendly version of KaiOS for the Nokia 8110 4G.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I feel like i would like a phone with the sim and wifi module ripped out. Perhaps just bluetooth so my files can get auto transfered when i get home. Phones are great note takers and recorders but the social media and communication aspects can be problematic.

Then don't install those apps? I really don't understand the problem. Smartphones only have the apps we install on them.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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The strategy that has worked for me so far is to delete all any addicting app (entertainment, social media, etc) that has a web version. I still can access them with browser, but the experience is not the same, so after a while, I get bored, and close them.

Well I am screwed, then, because I already only access everything via the web browser on my phone, I don’t have any entertainment or social media apps… but I still browse hackernews and Reddit too much.

I use Firefox on my phone with extensions. I have a block extension running to block distracting things.

My news is literally only a digital newspaper subscription on my phone. So once I've read that, there's nothing more to read for the rest of the day.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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I'd love to quit my smartphone and have looked at options like Lite Phone to replace it. The only issue is my smartphone is now my GPS, my payment method, my home lighting controller, my car/house key, and my health tracker. Plus, was a convenient way to keep tabs on work messages. Half a decade ago I eliminated all my social media. Then about a year ago I started by removing work email and messaging from my phone.Th…

> maybe someday I can evolve to look at the smartphone as a utilitarian device without the addictive qualities. Good luck. You won't though, "because sekhurity" - the trend points at everything using your phone as a second factor, and not even via the authenticator app, but vendor-specific push notifications, on a remotely attested phone. Banks and media companies are pushing hard for it.

And this in spite of the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the US strongly recommending against using SMS as a 2nd factor authentication since 2016!

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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Don't forget that technology has a ratchet effect. It's gonna get worse over time. > Payments: use a card, or cash. The card part ends up requiring phone confirmation as a second factor, often online, occasionally offline. > Health tracker: notebook and pencil Convenience matters - notebook and pencil method cuts down people benefiting from health tracking by a couple orders of magnitude.

> Convenience matters - notebook and pencil method cuts down people benefiting from health tracking by a couple orders of magnitude. How?

Take sleep tracking: I tried and failed to note those times when I wake up. I'm usually too foggy to remember, and later in the day, it's too much effort to reverse the times out of environmental cues. Obviously, I don't have a consistent sleep schedule - otherwise, I wouldn't care about tracking it in the first place. And, of course, manual tracking doesn't work when I wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep an hour later, because half the time I don't remember it happened until next afternoon. However, my smartwatch is able to record all that for me, with 95+% accuracy, which over the past year or two gave me some important data to contextualize my day-to-day energy levels.

Or take pressure monitoring. My whole life, I've been suffering from acute chronic cannot-form-a-habit-to-save-my-life-itis, (now also known as "treatment-resistant part of my ADHD"). There's no way in hell I can stick to daily (or worse, less frequent) measurements using cuff-style upper arm monitor. It may be portable, battery-powered, trivial to use, but it's still too much of a hassle. What I can do is use it to recalibrate my smartwatch every couple weeks, and use that to take measurements - I still can't form a habit, but at least something I can do within couple seconds of remembering it. So, thanks to the watch, I get some data, where otherwise I'd have none, and that's all because of convenience factor.

Or just look at the popularity of fitness bands and watches. Some people derive value from those automatic measurements. Of those people, many (most) wouldn't otherwise bother if they had to use a stopwatch and a notebook instead.

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> I DONT WANT TO TALK to people in grocery line, especially when I don't have a phone. I perfectly ok to just stand quietly. I do! My day is almost always made better by a random encounter with a stranger. I wish I was confident enough to start those interactions myself, but I always inevitably think back to messages such as yours, and my anxiety gets the better of me.

I used to value a random encounter with a stranger. Now, the median person is likely to be 1. Disturbed, 2. Obsessed with politics, 3. Belligerent for no reason, 4. Ready to whip out their phone camera looking for “content” or 5. Generally offended/Scared of the idea of talking to a random stranger. The last 3 or so years have turned America into a giant mental asylum and it’s starting to be not worth it to talk to a…

I live in an area where people will talk to you as you're walking by. In my experience, no, the median person is not Disturbed, obsessed with politics, belligerent or filming.

I do agree that the last point is true - but see OP's message. I don't want to talk to you in the grocery store. If I'm standing there with Earbuds in, and you make Smalltalk with me, don't be surprised if I totally blank you or seen confused.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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> I DONT WANT TO TALK to people in grocery line, especially when I don't have a phone. I perfectly ok to just stand quietly. I do! My day is almost always made better by a random encounter with a stranger. I wish I was confident enough to start those interactions myself, but I always inevitably think back to messages such as yours, and my anxiety gets the better of me.

I'd love to have phone / no phone sections ( or chat / no chat ) in places like subways, airports, etc. I love taking to random people but don't want to bother then if they don't want to talk. Having kids helps inasmuch as my eldest will talk to every kid she sees and that usually means at least a hello to the parent.

Have those ever existed though, really? I used to take a long bus or train most weekends, before smartphones were everywhere, and the vast majority of people were using earphones or reading - not talking to strangers.

Re: A practical guide to quitting your smartphone

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It has Android 11 as of today; with no information of upgradability. I would not ever recommend anyone to use such an outdated OS in today's world even on their secondary phone. It's just unsafe. If it is to be used as a "reader" device then, well, whatever. But in that case why not just use a "reader device" then.

What attack vector are you envisioning?

Stealing all them ebookz
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