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The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by slimrec77 »

jsz0 wrote: post #58

There's something very gross to me about this product. It digital gluttony. It's like buttering your pop tarts. It's like adding extra sugar to your Cola. It's like wearing a diaper so you don't have to get up off the couch. At some point isn't enough enough? How connected do you have to really be? How much more engagement do you need to feel something? How many screens do you need to fill the hole in your heart? I w…

Current stats are that 50% of Americans aged 30-49 have a social media addiction.

Under 29 who knows but obviously higher.

You can't expect a coke head to not snort the whole bag. We just don't believe social media addiction is like a coke addiction. This isn't going to just get better either. What are the kids that grew up watching tiktok as a first memory all of the sudden going to become ludite hippies in 15 years?

I even had the thought that maybe generation alpha would be reactionary against all this. Looking that up, holy shit is that wrong.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

slimrec77 wrote: post #71
jsz0 wrote: post #58

There's something very gross to me about this product. It digital gluttony. It's like buttering your pop tarts. It's like adding extra sugar to your Cola. It's like wearing a diaper so you don't have to get up off the couch. At some point isn't enough enough? How connected do you have to really be? How much more engagement do you need to feel something? How many screens do you need to fill the hole in your heart? I w…

Current stats are that 50% of Americans aged 30-49 have a social media addiction. Under 29 who knows but obviously higher. You can't expect a coke head to not snort the whole bag. We just don't believe social media addiction is like a coke addiction. This isn't going to just get better either. What are the kids that grew up watching tiktok as a first memory all of the sudden going to become ludite hippies in 15 years…

The amount of robberies is going to skyrocket... I would suspect that Apple will have to implement some sort of "50% translucency requirement for on-screen windows" so that using the Vision Pro in public places will not prevent people from being aware of their central vision & surroundings.

I don't personally carry a cell phone with me in day-to-day life, so I am already well aware of how addictive technology is for young & old [and am myself about half way along the journey].

The first person to get injured because the VisionPro screens suddenly freeze/blank is going to make global news. RIP.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by abnercoimbre »

jdorfman wrote: post #30

I got back from the Apple Store a few hours ago and that headline is exactly how I felt when I finished the 20 minute demo. It was amazing, it’s the future of entertainment especially sports and that’s the sad part, you will be enjoying it alone.

How did it work to get a nice, long demo? You wait on a line, place your name on a queue, or something else?

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by jsz0 »

goatlover wrote: post #63
jsz0 wrote: post #58

There's something very gross to me about this product. It digital gluttony. It's like buttering your pop tarts. It's like adding extra sugar to your Cola. It's like wearing a diaper so you don't have to get up off the couch. At some point isn't enough enough? How connected do you have to really be? How much more engagement do you need to feel something? How many screens do you need to fill the hole in your heart? I w…

Have you ever put butter on a Pop-Tart? It's so frickin' good Have you ever put butter on a Pop-Tart? If you haven't, then I think you should

Yes but I'm ashamed of it. It's too good.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by the_third_wave »

garrickvanburen wrote: post #64
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. At the same time, VR could afford richer interactions with those who live far away from you. For example, about 30% of older adults in the US live alone. Of course, it would be better to visit or live with them, but that is often impossible.

One side of my family has a weekly Zoom call with elderly parents, scheduled for 2-3 years at this point. Every other week, someone needs to call said parents and walk them through connecting to Zoom. Again. Introduce a VR headset? Absolutely not.

Call them daily and you would not have to "walk them through using Zoom". Better still use something like Telegram where calling is as easy as sending an SMS and they'll call you instead. I use a combination of Nextcloud Talk, Telegram, Jitsi Talk running on my own server and Conversations (Android XMPP app) connecting to my own XMPP server to keep in contact with my mother (85) who lives in the Netherlands while I live in Sweden. We call every day, sometimes more often. She has no problems figuring out how to use the tech since she's been doing it every day for years.

I'm not going to introduce VR either but not because she would not understand the technology. It just does not add anything real over what video calling already offers. Maybe AR if and when retinal projection ever gets to be a thing, when the headset is no heavier than a normal pair of glasses, when it is not encumbered by an overly bossy company like Apple, maybe then. Not as long as you need to don a $4K pair of ski goggles which lock you out of the real world to suck you into some corporate mimicry.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by aviat »

josephg wrote: post #18
lolinder wrote: post #11

> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material wo…

I don't think thats it. Its not the part where we interact with digital devices that is the problem, exactly. Maybe its the part where we stop interacting with other people as people as well. I watched a wild video[1] the other day which really gave me a new perspective on the Apple Vision Pro. Casey Neistat walks around NYC with an apple vision strapped on his head and chats with people in the street. I was arrested…

Casey Neistat is used to interacting with people while wearing Ray bans. People are used to not seeing his eyes.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by 72deluxe »

cdata wrote: post #20

I saw a bunch of my techie friends all run out to buy one of these on launch day (thanks to their easy availability at Apple stores). As far as I can tell from the reviews: this device is a preview of the future. But, it still needs iterative improvements before it will live up to its promise as a practical workstation or accessible gaming device. It is plain to see that my friends who bought one are enjoying the cam…

I am pretty sure people have managed to feel connected to others in a meaningful way before this device, and it didn't cost $4000. Not sure if you were being sarcastic...

How did anyone ever make friends 100 years ago without one of these!

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by jitl »

euroderf wrote: post #77

I'm waiting to read the inevitable review in which someone (and partner) use Apple Vision Pro it to enhance their sex life. I find it hard to believe that AVP would be an exception to a fundamental rule about the drivers of technological development.

It’s hard to kiss already with only one person wearing one, with two you’d need your heads to be at 90 degrees to make it work
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