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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by internet101010 »

baby_souffle wrote: post #186
al_borland wrote: post #77

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It’s not about an individual website, it’s about the industry. It’s not that Netflix, or any other service, is hard to use on its own. It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use. This was solved for with music where pretty much every service has pretty much every song. People don’t need multiple music services, they just pick the one that best fits their style and needs. This is what the movie an…

> It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use. I wish somebody could get all the media execs in a room and just deliver a simple message: "You can't compete on price; your competition is free. You must compete on experience if you're to compete at all." With just a few hours worth of time and effort, it's possible to get a pretty sophisticated and automatic system set up that essentially makes get…

Yeah that's what I have and I will never go back. I open one app for VOD content and one for audio content. The quality is often superior to the streaming platforms for movies.

Not having to care about which platform something is on is so nice.

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Post by slothtrop »

api wrote: post #48
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

Amazon Prime and Apple TV are easy. Just rent the movie. It’s a few bucks like video rental shops back in the old days. You can also buy, though only Apple really allows downloading of bought content.

Partial agree. Plenty of films aren't available for rent on those services either.

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Post by ESTheComposer »

giantrobot wrote: post #93
tacticalturtle wrote: post #39

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I don’t understand how it follows that if artists are paid a pittance, then the moral thing to do is to still consume their content - while depriving them of revenue from residuals.

They get the same amount of residuals if someone doesn't watch something or if they pirate it. Is it immoral to not watch something that gives someone residuals? Do you owe them residuals just because they made something?

> They get the same amount of residuals if someone doesn't watch something or if they pirate it.

Someone dying of natural causes and someone being murdered both end up with the person dying, that does not mean they're the same thing.

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Post by angoragoats »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #227
angoragoats wrote: post #212

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> Yes that is quite literally also depriving them of revenue, and quite possibly their only source of revenue if they're a free website/app. I think I made an error here by assuming that every reader of Hacker News would be at least somewhat pro-adblocking. So since you appear not to be, let me ask you: * Do you use any ad blocker at all? If yes, can you define precisely when ad blocking is stealing and when it is no…

> Do you use any ad blocker at all? No With your second question: Tracking - Tracking isn't stealing, that's a privacy question. Building a Profile - I mean not stealing but also vague so not sure what's the point of trying to argue this one? Like if you keep going with this line of thinking you end up with "you looked at me funny which made me feel weird so you're stealing by stealing my joy". (Absurd example but tr…

> Serving malware is a criminal act and you can block it, but you're also not usually going to CNN.com and expecting them to download a crypto miner on your hardware. You are, however, expecting advertisements, hence why you're using an adblocker.

I absolutely expect CNN, Google, and any other website to serve me malware. You can find many historical examples of the largest ad networks serving up malware on just about any site in existence. So that is actually the primary reason why I use adblockers, and blocking the visual noise is just a nice side effect.

How should I legally/ethically block this malware without using a broad ad blocker? AFAIK there's no way for me to know ahead of time when and on what site malware will be served.

I'm sorry if you think I'm painting in strokes that are too broad -- I'm trying to understand your viewpoint here. I would also like to be clear that I do think copyright infringement is a thing, and in your example of "pay me $1 and you can view my art," viewing the work and not paying is ethically dubious and probably could be considered copyright infringement in most jurisdictions. I just vehemently object to it being called "stealing" as you've done here.

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Post by denkmoon »

nikanj wrote: post #149
bo1024 wrote: post #124

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Consolidation, or interoperability. Somehow any radio station can play any song they want (or seemingly any), for a standardized set of fees. And there is plenty of competition among radio stations. Couldn't we get the same setup for on-demand streaming of music and video?

Hell no -lobbyists

Too bad for them. I would assume that getting a royalty off my streaming of something earns them more money than my piracy of something, but I guess they don't want my money.

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Post by slimrec77 »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #25
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #15

Piracy is a moral imperative. The internet was supposed to be free and break down barriers. Instead what we have now is a show available in the UK but not available in the US. This is not acceptable. This plus the fact that actual artists get a pittance, means the flag will fly high till companies learn. Also piracy has become much more reliable these days. There are systems which will make sure you get 4k streams ba…

No, it absolutely isn't a moral imperative, quite the reverse. I don't know where you get the idea that the internet was "supposed" to be "free" or why the fact that a global transport network for information exists implies that everything transported over it should not require any payment. The logical endpoint of your position is that you will get what you pay for: content that costs almost nothing to produce.

The internet being free was a 90s cyberpunk ideal. Those ideas were not very well thought out to say the least.

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Post by philipov »

galahad_ wrote: post #232
philipov wrote: post #150

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The money's not on the table if people can and will leave. That's the point of competition. Piracy is entirely in the spirit of free market capitalism: the equilibrium price of a good with infinite supply is 0.

The problem ist that a production of f.e. a movie costs money. If the people that make movies don't earn money, they will not make any movies. So they have to earn that money somehow. If the price of their good is 0 why should they bother with filming?

Because they love making movies, and can find other ways to get people to pay them for their labor rather than for copies of the movie. This is already happening today.

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Post by denkmoon »

avg_dev wrote: post #26
h2odragon wrote: post #3

Do they still plan to compete by making their service suck more, through higher prices, more ads, and less content? I'm so glad I ripped all my DVDs

i read on twitter a while back about some tv writer who was really happy because they managed to find someone who sent them pirated dvds of their work. apparently when disney+ removed the show from their catalog, it was otherwise lost to the world. that is definitely not the promise of streaming services that i remember from when they was first starting to gain popularity.

Pirates are better archivists than any media company. The effort put in to meticulous curation of content libraries on private trackers is really incredible.

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Post by internet101010 »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #168
emporas wrote: post #57

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Kick.com is banned in Greece as of June. It has some betting streams, not sure if someone bets on the platform, but it got banned anyway for illegal gambling. I don't care personally, just to put it out there. P2P download of files did fall a lot in the last decade, i think a second wave is coming.

Kick isn't really a streaming site, it's a front started by the Stake bitcoin casino after Twitch changed policy to ban streaming bitcoin slots. Stake had been handing out huge contracts to major streamers to show themselves having fun gambling on Stake, particularly xQc and TrainwreksTV. These streamers would act as if they were betting with their own money, including getting into six figure bets, without being clea…

This is correct. Kick is just a front for bringing lifetime gamblers into Stake. That's only reason they were willing to pay xQc $100M for a two-year non-exclusive contract.

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Post by slothtrop »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

I can't relate to that kind of dilemma. I don't want to pay for multiple services, but I also would not get much value from juggling them for what little I care to watch. I might in some instance be interested in just one or two shows, in which case I can sign up to watch then cancel.

Streaming is still easy, just more expensive.

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