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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by atahanacar »

miki123211 wrote: post #92

What are non-tech-savvy people actually using for piracy these days? Torrents require you to own a PC (there's no way to torrent on a phone or smart TV AFAIK), Usenet requires you to have some tech knowledge, same goes for Plex / Jellyfin. I feel like piracy nowadays is a lot harder for an average Joe than it used to be. People now expect that they can turn on their TV, open an app, enter a title in the search box an…

>What are non-tech-savvy people actually using for piracy these days?

Where I live, they search for "watch blabla online 1080p free". Way less time consuming than actually using streaming services or torrenting.

Also, you can easily torrent on Android.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by gumpshun »

miki123211 wrote: post #92

What are non-tech-savvy people actually using for piracy these days? Torrents require you to own a PC (there's no way to torrent on a phone or smart TV AFAIK), Usenet requires you to have some tech knowledge, same goes for Plex / Jellyfin. I feel like piracy nowadays is a lot harder for an average Joe than it used to be. People now expect that they can turn on their TV, open an app, enter a title in the search box an…

Non tech savvy people aren't messing around with torrents. They get android TV boxes from someone and pay them a small monthly fee to have a cable like interface to watch anything you could possibly pirate.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by ESTheComposer »

angoragoats wrote: post #157
ESTheComposer wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are using the age old argument of “I wouldn’t have bought it anyway, so they won’t get anything from me either way” This is just a roundabout way of excusing stealing. If the creator of something says “if you want to view my work, you must pay me a dollar”, then yes it is stealing (immoral) if you view it without paying. The context around it as to whether you would’ve watched it anyway is irrelevant. Apply the s…

If you want to read this comment, which I created, you owe me $100. Okay, now pay up. If you don’t, you’re stealing from me.

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by mhss »

NoPedantsThanks wrote: post #163
mhss wrote: post #153

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> Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. Netflix revenue keeps growing (and subscribers), despite the "crackdown" on password sharing that many predicted would cause massive cancellations.

They talk about piracy "services," which is not your normal torrent user presumably. I guess it's Popcorn Time and the like, which makes it somewhat easier for the general populace.

Yeah, still, it's easier, but not as easy nor convenient or widely available (e.g there's no Popcorn app in that TV you just bought. Defaults matter a lot.

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Post by shermantanktop »

blibble wrote: post #158
mhss wrote: post #153

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> Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. Netflix revenue keeps growing (and subscribers), despite the "crackdown" on password sharing that many predicted would cause massive cancellations.

googling "watch X online free" is hard?

It's clicking on the links in the search results that requires a difficult leap of faith.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by ESTheComposer »

angoragoats wrote: post #170
ESTheComposer wrote: post #128

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You are depriving them of revenue, it is stealing.

It’s not though: * It’s definitely not stealing in the legal sense of the term, which requires a party to be deprived of physical property that they own. * It’s also not in the colloquial sense of the term, because if you call this stealing you’d also have apply the stealing label to blocking ads/trackers on the web, taking advantage of free trials for services without any intent of becoming a subscriber, or countles…

> because if you call this stealing you’d also have apply the stealing label to blocking ads/trackers on the web

Yes that is quite literally also depriving them of revenue, and quite possibly their only source of revenue if they're a free website/app.

>taking advantage of free trials for services without any intent of becoming a subscriber

Yeah no, it's in the name...FREE TRIAL. It's literally given out for free.

>content cartels

Yes how dare companies/people want to get paid for their creative works, must be a cartel.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by mhss »

mike_d wrote: post #166
mhss wrote: post #153

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> Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. Netflix revenue keeps growing (and subscribers), despite the "crackdown" on password sharing that many predicted would cause massive cancellations.

> I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. You overestimate your view of piracy. The average person isn't curating libraries of lossless music collections and carefully re-encoding Anime dubs to match their sound system. People are Googling for the hundreds of sites that will stream a feed of a DirecTV box somewhere showing an NFL game, or show grandma how to connect to the Plex server thei…

My comment was explicitly replying to an argument about how streaming services would "suffer" because of how piracy is much easier today. There's no signs of that. Just because Netflix mentions that risk in their SEC filings. The article admits as much, it's their responsibility and of course if there were no other alternatives it'd be better for Netflix, but is hardly something that has changed significantly to make a dent in their business. As I said, subscriptions and revenue keeps growing, there's no evidence of them "suffering" because of the alternative (viable to many) that piracy provides.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by s__s »

api wrote: post #48
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

Amazon Prime and Apple TV are easy. Just rent the movie. It’s a few bucks like video rental shops back in the old days. You can also buy, though only Apple really allows downloading of bought content.

I’ve always liked Apple ITunes store model. (So did Steve Jobs that’s why they were so late to music subscriptions)

Just give me a giant catalogue of every show, movie, and album known to man and let me buy or rent a-la-carte for a fair price.

At the moment I’ve dropped all streaming platforms and am back to Apple. If I want to watch something I just buy it and don’t have to worry about subscribing to yet another service.

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