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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by jowea »

al_borland wrote: post #77
eastbound wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that means companies must sell for the marginal price of their website’s ergonomics, not for the marginal price of producing movies. (Which is not a big loss, because I can’t imagine producing the Netflix knockoffs be a hundredth the price of a 007).

It’s not about an individual website, it’s about the industry. It’s not that Netflix, or any other service, is hard to use on its own. It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use. This was solved for with music where pretty much every service has pretty much every song. People don’t need multiple music services, they just pick the one that best fits their style and needs. This is what the movie an…

I wonder if mandating content licenses being non-exclusive and separating media distributors from producers would help.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by dilippkumar »

I'll bite - people torrent because they have no other options. People will pay for content if they're able to access content after paying. So, here's my offer:

I will build a torrent streaming site where the torrent file costs some reasonable amount of $$ per download, for fully licensed content, with zero DMA protections.

If you have IP that you are willing to share on this torrent site, I will take 10% of revenue after subtracting costs, you get the remaining.

My email is on my HN profile. If you own IP and are interested in licensing it this way - shoot me a mail. I need a minimum amount of interest from IP holders before I put in any real work building this.

Your move, Hollywood.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by AngryData »

CommanderData wrote: post #98
aqme28 wrote: post #8

I have found myself pirating more and more. Netflix and co aren't just losing on the available content and the price, the actual browsing experience is far better on the illegal streaming site I use.

I'd like to compare yours to all streaming sites I've used, which are riddled with ads and deceptive clicks.

If they are using a decent ad blocker they probably dont see 99.9% of that. At most they might note one of the couple mirrors for the video doesn't work.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by pcchristie »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #120
bawolff wrote: post #10

> Piracy also threatens to damage our business, as its fundamental proposition to consumers is so compelling and difficult to compete against: virtually all content for free,” Netflix writes. People emphasize the "free" part, but it really is the "all content" part that makes piracy wins. Especially if you are not in the USA, often specific content isn't available at any price. Even if it is, its split across 5 billi…

I tried to watch Rick and Morty season 6 here in Australia, only to find that half of it was on one streaming service, a quarter on another, and the rest not available at all. They make it impractical to obtain legitimately and then complain when we pirate.

Every episode is on Netflix in Australia, not sure what you were looking at

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by deaddodo »

jowea wrote: post #141
al_borland wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not about an individual website, it’s about the industry. It’s not that Netflix, or any other service, is hard to use on its own. It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use. This was solved for with music where pretty much every service has pretty much every song. People don’t need multiple music services, they just pick the one that best fits their style and needs. This is what the movie an…

I wonder if mandating content licenses being non-exclusive and separating media distributors from producers would help.

This seems to be the most obvious solution, and is what solved the movie industry's greed back in the the studio system days. But, the industry will fight it tooth and nail, because they lose control and potential margins on it at the expense of the consumer.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by ihsw »

api wrote: post #52
cocoa19 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low price and no ads were two of the main selling points to ditch cable (along with stream whenever you want). We reached the point were price is almost as high as cable was (with the standard 4-5 subscriptions), and we have ads. This is not a surprise to most though, the question has always been when would it happen.

We are no longer under zero interest rates. Things have to actually be profitable.

No subscriber told streaming services that they needed to drop literal billions of dollars on content production. I do not want to subsidize their poor decision making.

This is why streaming is so expensive.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by Madmallard »

paulcole wrote: post #135
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

> why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal 1. My time isn’t valuable so who cares if it takes 6 minutes to figure out where to watch Magnum PI. 2. I know I shouldn’t do illegal things so I don’t do them.

"My time isn’t valuable"

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sir?

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by nikanj »

bo1024 wrote: post #124
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #27

The streaming space desperately needs consolidation right now. Every rights holder having their own service has killed a lot of the convenience because you'll now need several different services to go through an entire TV show, for instance. And also because all services other than maybe Netflix have garbage software for your various devices. Because every service also has to support 8 different platforms. Video play…

Consolidation, or interoperability. Somehow any radio station can play any song they want (or seemingly any), for a standardized set of fees. And there is plenty of competition among radio stations. Couldn't we get the same setup for on-demand streaming of music and video?

Hell no -lobbyists

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by philipov »

heavyset_go wrote: post #123
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

I think the cable TV model was a mature business model for extracting the most amount of value possible from paying viewers before they choose to leave. Every streaming service will converge to what cable TV is like: paid channels, maximum amount of ads, additional premium content, attempts at lock-in, exclusive licensing of content, etc. Not adopting the cable business model is leaving billions of dollars on the tab…

The money's not on the table if people can and will leave. That's the point of competition. Piracy is entirely in the spirit of free market capitalism: the equilibrium price of a good with infinite supply is 0.
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