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Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by idiotsecant »

__loam wrote: post #46
vdaea wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I thought HN was anti-copyright.

I'm anti-corporations who exploit every artist on the internet.

So open source models are OK? No corporation benefits from that. What about people who are learning to be artists? Should they have to license works before they observe them? They can't be incorporating elements from other artists without payingnthem, surely.

I see a lot of this knee jerk generative algorithm bad on twitter, reddit, and spaces like that. Hopefully HN can be more nuanced.

Information wants to be free. That doesn't stop being true when the information is art.

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by idiotsecant »

__loam wrote: post #48
throwaway421967 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I see a photo online, I don't need to pay a license to see it, for my brain to process it. If after I produce the same image, then yes you could argue I'm an infringing but only when I do actually produce it. This push for licensing works for the purposes of tranining is not german to the purposes that copyright sets to achieve. It slows down progress, makes it extremely more expensive for small players to partcip…

Germane. And this is still a disengenuous argument wherever someone is making it. We should not defend corporate exploitation of millions of people by citing how human beings do things. Making it harder for artists to make a living by beating them over the head with their own work does not "enable way more creative expression". Writing a prompt hardly counts as "creative".

What about open models that don't benefit a corporation?

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by throwaway421967 »

__loam wrote: post #48
throwaway421967 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I see a photo online, I don't need to pay a license to see it, for my brain to process it. If after I produce the same image, then yes you could argue I'm an infringing but only when I do actually produce it. This push for licensing works for the purposes of tranining is not german to the purposes that copyright sets to achieve. It slows down progress, makes it extremely more expensive for small players to partcip…

Germane. And this is still a disengenuous argument wherever someone is making it. We should not defend corporate exploitation of millions of people by citing how human beings do things. Making it harder for artists to make a living by beating them over the head with their own work does not "enable way more creative expression". Writing a prompt hardly counts as "creative".

Thanks for the correction, I believe the correct one is "germane" though,no?

> Writing a prompt hardly counts as "creative".

clicking a camera shutter is not creative either. Choosing the subject and which picture is worth preserving is.

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

#64

Post by __loam »

idiotsecant wrote: post #61
__loam wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm anti-corporations who exploit every artist on the internet.

So open source models are OK? No corporation benefits from that. What about people who are learning to be artists? Should they have to license works before they observe them? They can't be incorporating elements from other artists without payingnthem, surely. I see a lot of this knee jerk generative algorithm bad on twitter, reddit, and spaces like that. Hopefully HN can be more nuanced. Information wants to be free.…

Open source models are built on VC capital and stolen labor.

Obviously your bullshit point about artists learning to be artists is bullshit. AI art models are not people. Bringing up how people learn is completely irrelevant to the regulation of these models. Artists are happy to teach other artists because it actually grows the artistic community and maintains the skills humanity needs to produce art. Obviously they feel differently when some corporate tech bro fuck who isn't part of the community extracts the value from millions of people at an industrial scale to produce a computer program to displace them and threaten their livelihoods. This is easy to understand and no amount of handwringing and anthropomorphizing will change these facts.

When we don't live under a capitalist economy, maybe we can talk about your entitlement to other people's work. Until then, professional creatives need to eat and pay rent, so fuck off.

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by __loam »

idiotsecant wrote: post #62
__loam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germane. And this is still a disengenuous argument wherever someone is making it. We should not defend corporate exploitation of millions of people by citing how human beings do things. Making it harder for artists to make a living by beating them over the head with their own work does not "enable way more creative expression". Writing a prompt hardly counts as "creative".

What about open models that don't benefit a corporation?

Open models exist because silicon valley corporations with massive VC funding or institutional capital like Meta and Google stole millions of works from across the internet. Abusing the reputation of open source software does not mean you had permission to use that art in your model, and it doesn't wash away the ethical stain on these models.

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by satvikpendem »

niceice wrote: post #38
Nekorosu wrote: post #28

My prediction. You won't survive a month with this kind of behaviour. The competition is dire, and it's all about understanding the needs of your users and helping them to grow and prosper. Milking money out of people is outdated and obsolete approach. I hope, you can understand it. :)

What's a good alternative for generating a logo with similar tools to this?

You could use Stable Diffusion yourself, and I'm sure there are other such services that wrap SD, as this one does.

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by satvikpendem »

__loam wrote: post #64
idiotsecant wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So open source models are OK? No corporation benefits from that. What about people who are learning to be artists? Should they have to license works before they observe them? They can't be incorporating elements from other artists without payingnthem, surely. I see a lot of this knee jerk generative algorithm bad on twitter, reddit, and spaces like that. Hopefully HN can be more nuanced. Information wants to be free.…

Open source models are built on VC capital and stolen labor. Obviously your bullshit point about artists learning to be artists is bullshit. AI art models are not people. Bringing up how people learn is completely irrelevant to the regulation of these models. Artists are happy to teach other artists because it actually grows the artistic community and maintains the skills humanity needs to produce art. Obviously they…

It is no different than any other time in history. No one cared when blue collar workers were being automated but when suddenly it's my white collar job?

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by timeon »

throwaway421967 wrote: post #25
gardaani wrote: post #11

How did you train your AI? Did you use ethically acquired data sources?

If I see a photo online, I don't need to pay a license to see it, for my brain to process it. If after I produce the same image, then yes you could argue I'm an infringing but only when I do actually produce it. This push for licensing works for the purposes of tranining is not german to the purposes that copyright sets to achieve. It slows down progress, makes it extremely more expensive for small players to partcip…

> If I see a photo online, I don't need to pay a license to see it, for my brain to process it.

What makes this sentence relevant here?

Re: We just launched Sketch Logo AI

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Post by geor9e »

gardaani wrote: post #11

How did you train your AI? Did you use ethically acquired data sources?

I'd be very surprised if they trained at all. Everything I see in the examples is easily generated from AWS / GCP / OpenAI API prompts, in other words, another wrapper in the tsunami of wrappers.
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