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A brief history of the U.S. trying to add backdoors into encrypted data (2016)

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Maybe you just have a faulty sarcasm detector?

It's no longer possible to tell. Some of the ideas that avg Americans have on the way just about anything works is frightening. My favorite lately is that the US was the real bad guy in WWII because we used nukes.

That US was a "real bad guy", or that nuking cities was an evil and unnecessary thing? The latter, while not universally held, is a fairly common take, and has been that way for a few decades now.

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> The closed-sourceness is only a tiny part of the problem, too - a lot of the worst attacks so far are actually in open source based EFI firmware, which is riddled with bugs. Can you elaborate and/or provide context/links?

https://eclypsium.com/blog/understanding-detecting-pixiefail... https://binarly.io/posts/The_Far_Reaching_Consequences_of_Lo...

Makes sense given the context. When you said bugs in open source EFI implementations, I thought you meant bugs in things like rEFI/rEFInd/rEFIt.

Re: A brief history of the U.S. trying to add backdoors into encrypted data (2016)

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Now the argument coming from civil society for backdoors is based on CSAM: > Heat Initiative is led by Sarah Gardner, former vice president of external affairs for the nonprofit Thorn, which works to use new technologies to combat child exploitation online and sex trafficking. In 2021, Thorn lauded Apple's plan to develop an iCloud CSAM scanning feature. Gardner said in an email to CEO Tim Cook on Wednesday, August 3…

This isn't even a recent thing anymore. "iPhone will become the phone of choice for the pedophile" was said by a senior official in 2014, when full device encryption was starting to become common.

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I never understood the story about the book-printed PGP source code. Isn't source code protected speech under the first amendment anyway, regardless of the form in which it is transmitted? All kinds of media receive first amendment protection, including things like monetary donations, corporate speech, art, etc. I've never heard of there being a requirement for the printed form. Did the interpretation of the first am…

The idea was to make it blatantly clear that it's not a "munition".

Why would that matter, if source code is protected speech anyway?

And why is it more "clear" with a printed book vs. an emailed text file?

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As this is from 2016 it doesn't include this new fun revelation: > On 11 February 2020, The Washington Post, ZDF and SRF revealed that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence, and the spy agencies could easily break the codes used to send encrypted messages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Would be interesting what similar companies are (in parts) most likely agency fronts.

My guess would be quite a few in the soft privacy selling business, such as VPN or email providers.

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The idea was to make it blatantly clear that it's not a "munition".

Why would that matter, if source code is protected speech anyway? And why is it more "clear" with a printed book vs. an emailed text file?

This was a time when we were happy when they managed to get congresspeople to understand that the internet is not like a truck, but more like a series of tubes.

I think anchoring it to something old school like a book was a good call.

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I know. We definitely aren't a nation founded on outright treason and insurrection, and thumbing our nose at authority and doing the moral thing isn't in our DNA in any way, shape, or form. Frustrating that some people think otherwise.

There can be moral reasons for treason. The founding fathers certainly considered themselves moral and principled.

Your frustration is misguided. Simply do not confuse illegality with immorality. Human beings generally want to feel like they're doing more good than bad.

As for "the DNA of a nation," we would probably spend a few hours figuring out the definition of what that even is just for starters.

Re: A brief history of the U.S. trying to add backdoors into encrypted data (2016)

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As this is from 2016 it doesn't include this new fun revelation: > On 11 February 2020, The Washington Post, ZDF and SRF revealed that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence, and the spy agencies could easily break the codes used to send encrypted messages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

I wrote blog entry on this subject with a very similar name [0] which covers the CryptoAG story in more detail. It doesn't have the 2020 news.

[0]: A Brief History of NSA Backdoors (2013), https://www.ethanheilman.com/x/12/index.html

Re: A brief history of the U.S. trying to add backdoors into encrypted data (2016)

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A backdoor, which works anywhere and way better than the wrench option.

They don't need it, which was my point. They have all the tools the need right now to get what they want. Why should anyone grant them more?

Why would they not try to get a magic back door that makes their lives easier, even if they don’t need it?

Re: A brief history of the U.S. trying to add backdoors into encrypted data (2016)

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I know. We definitely aren't a nation founded on outright treason and insurrection, and thumbing our nose at authority and doing the moral thing isn't in our DNA in any way, shape, or form. Frustrating that some people think otherwise.

There can be moral reasons for treason. The founding fathers certainly considered themselves moral and principled. Your frustration is misguided. Simply do not confuse illegality with immorality. Human beings generally want to feel like they're doing more good than bad. As for "the DNA of a nation," we would probably spend a few hours figuring out the definition of what that even is just for starters.

They were by facetious and sarcastic. ;-)
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