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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by zanecodes »

Kluggy wrote: post #8
qwertox wrote: post #5

Won't it rather have the same effect a slow phone or laptop has, like driving you really mad at times? I think I might have that issue if everything is laggy, unless I'd like to sugarcoat a very expensive purchase of an otherwise "cool" device.

It doesn't come across as laggy, but... smeary? if I move my head to the side, everything smears for a little bit before it snaps back into focus. It's a bit rough for me to move around in, but I'm pretty sensitive to motion.

That sounds like the phenomenon known as display persistence: https://developers.google.com/vr/discover/fundamentals#displ... It's typically avoided by displaying images for a very short period, blanking them between frames and letting the eye and brain fill in the intervening time.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 »

dataangel wrote: post #33

Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy

Probably because we all want toys but need justifications so that wives don't get angry.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by chipweinberger »

threeseed wrote: post #6
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and is industry standard. Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to those with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.

> industry standard

Amazon is 30 days, and it has made 14 days look stingy this day in age.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by colechristensen »

dataangel wrote: post #33

Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy

The attention economy means that every time there's an opportunity, plenty of people will create attention grabbing responses with the common set of hot takes.

Same goes for comment sections and any time people get the opportunity to do anything with a possible attention reward. I've taken to being conscious of the kinds of obnoxious/unhelpful/nitpicking responses when commenting in threads to try to discourage low quality responses.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by hnlmorg »

threeseed wrote: post #6
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and is industry standard. Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to those with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.

> Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and is industry standard

A de facto standard in the US.

Some other countries have stronger consumer laws in place that define statuary return policies.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #34

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement. So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that o…

I have the same problem, and sometimes I'll code with an ageing Thinkpad(just 8 gigs of ram on it and an i5 with pretty bad singe-core perf) on my couch, ssh into my desktop and run Emacs/vim that way. I still have a full environment on my Thinkpad, but the 13" screen means I don't always have my browser open(usually just the one terminal), and if I follow my impulse to open a hundred tabs of docs in a local browser, my system will slow down too much. Forces me to keep a clutter free setup to even get anything done!

Definitely think your idea is worth trying for yourself.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by iwontberude »

doytch wrote: post #16
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US) has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop just 'cause.

What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. Returns are common around the world. Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/27584/how-common-are-online-r...

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by dansalvato »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #34

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement. So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that o…

It’s well known that habits and mode of thinking change with environmental cues, and I find that extends to a digital environment as well. If you have a device that’s distinctly a “work” device and you’ve only ever used it for focused work, then your brain will hopefully catch on and keep you within that mode of thinking a little bit more effectively.

However, I find that with ADHD, a good “system” doesn’t solve all my problems. There is then the fundamental problem of regularly using that system, which it turns out ADHD also makes a serious challenge. So, yes, good systems have tremendous value, but just prepare for the undertaking of staying committed to the system you’ve set up for yourself.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by ahar083 »

wtetzner wrote: post #21
doytch wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US) has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop just 'cause.

> It's an incredibly wasteful practice How is it more wasteful than keeping something you're not going to use?

A lot of lower end items are sent to the trash when returned. (Not items like an iPhone, which would be sold as referb models).

The wastefulness comes from the fact that the barrier to purchase is pretty low, given the ease of return, so one is more likely to buy an item which may end up in the trash in 14 days (30 for Amazon).

If I absolutely couldn’t return a product (aside from defects), I’d not buy a lot of items in the first place.

(I say this as someone who is guilty of plenty of “trials”).

I’m actually travelling through Japan right now, where one can visit a Yobadashi or Bic Camera, these stores are great, because all their tech is out and able to be played with, without explicitly getting assistance from a staff member. It’s obviously not the same as bringing a camera etc into the field to test, but it goes a long way in deciding if something works from an ergonomic perspective, before purchasing it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by lawrenceyan »

austin-cheney wrote: post #40

I am not convinced. First let’s be clear that there is minor ADHD which is a world of focus issues and minor distractions, and then there is catastrophic ADHD which is like living through the movie Momento in a world where memories don’t stick. I live in a household with catastrophic ADHD. I really have no idea what minor ADHD is like, but the last thing catastrophic ADHD needs is a gaming experience. A gaming experi…

Have you tried meditation? I genuinely am asking.
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