Apple Vision Pro and ADHD • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by kranke155 » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:27 PM UTC

doytch wrote: post #16

cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US) has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop just 'cause.

Huh? There are laws about being able to return items in the EU as well.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by somewhereoutth » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:28 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #27

somewhereoutth wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really get the computer monitor replacement argument - if you are creating as opposed to consuming content (i.e. coding/designing/authoring), then you are going to need a rather better input medium than what a virtual keyboard/mouse will provide. And this better medium, whether keyboard, trackpad, mouse or something else, will be sitting on a desk - with your monitors! If you want more/bigger monitors, then g…

You can use any physical mouse/keyboard as input for the Vision Pro, including the ones built into your laptop.

I can see how 'authoring from your lap' with a laptop actually on your lap (while on the sofa - like I am doing right now) might benefit from bigger/multi screens instead of the tiny portal the laptop gives you, but as soon as you want to do something more complex probably you'll reach for your mouse, and perhaps a paper and pen/pencil (if you think with your hands). Thus to the desk you go, where all your monitors are anyway.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by dataangel » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:28 PM UTC

Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement.

So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that only shows VSCode? OK let's make it more interesting: it also has network connection and the ChatGPT plugin for VSCode installed, so that I don't have to leave for another desktop to "find" something.

What do you think?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by grecy » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

somewhereoutth wrote: post #32

grecy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use any physical mouse/keyboard as input for the Vision Pro, including the ones built into your laptop.

I can see how 'authoring from your lap' with a laptop actually on your lap (while on the sofa - like I am doing right now) might benefit from bigger/multi screens instead of the tiny portal the laptop gives you, but as soon as you want to do something more complex probably you'll reach for your mouse, and perhaps a paper and pen/pencil (if you think with your hands). Thus to the desk you go, where all your monitors a…

> To sell the public that he achieved the dream of giving Ethiopia “access to sea”(which they already have access to)

Sure, but the vision pro offers "bigger" monitors that can fill your vision (if you want)

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by iwontberude » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

dataangel wrote: post #33

Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy

Funny because I was saying “Yes! Yes! Yes!” to myself as I was reading. This author totally gets me and what I want out of AVP and it’s the first time I am even seeing it written somewhere.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by dansalvato » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

qwertox wrote: post #5

Won't it rather have the same effect a slow phone or laptop has, like driving you really mad at times? I think I might have that issue if everything is laggy, unless I'd like to sugarcoat a very expensive purchase of an otherwise "cool" device.

Things aren’t “slow” in the sense that they’re unresponsive. The UI actually feels great to use—it’s a lot of fun, it’s fluid, and it responds very well to my actions. It’s just that I’m not as fast navigating apps on the Apple Vision Pro compared to using a mouse or a touchscreen. Frustration only occurs when trying to perform a certain action and getting a different result, which doesn’t happen much for me (except in iPad apps with poor compatibility).

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by colechristensen » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #34

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement. So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that o…

On any Linux system you can have no window manager (or an extremely minimal one) and just start a single application on login. It's been a while since I've done that and most stuff has moved away from X11 now, but yes exactly what you want is possible. To log in and have nothing but a single application, no menus, no desktop, etc.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:39 PM UTC

wtetzner wrote: post #21

doytch wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US) has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop just 'cause.

> It's an incredibly wasteful practice How is it more wasteful than keeping something you're not going to use?

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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by austin-cheney » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:40 PM UTC

I am not convinced. First let’s be clear that there is minor ADHD which is a world of focus issues and minor distractions, and then there is catastrophic ADHD which is like living through the movie Momento in a world where memories don’t stick.

I live in a household with catastrophic ADHD. I really have no idea what minor ADHD is like, but the last thing catastrophic ADHD needs is a gaming experience. A gaming experience is not going to cure the brain damage that causes people to require a minimum of 11 hours of sleep per day or misplace everything they own, including clothes, shoes, and wrist watches.