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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by wtetzner »

doytch wrote: post #16
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

I still find it quite odd that the west (or at least the US) has decided that we're entitled to a trial period with things we purchase. It's an incredibly wasteful practice and one that isn't at all common in a lot of other places on the planet. I know people who've moved to Europe who were in for a rude awakening when they tried returning things to the local shop just 'cause.

> It's an incredibly wasteful practice

How is it more wasteful than keeping something you're not going to use?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by somewhereoutth »

Swizec wrote: post #13
joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

> I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device Same until I got the keyboard. Most of my iPads collected dust in a corner because I don’t really do that much consumption. Then I got the Magic Keyboard and my iPad basically replaced my laptop. I use it for almost all my non-coding work. Even to give talks and workshops at conferences. The battery life is amazing, the form factor super convenient, a…

But would it be fair to say that with the Magic Keyboard, your iPad has in fact become a laptop?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by kfichter »

joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I also pulled the trigger here hoping to be able to replace my desktop setup. What were the key issues you were having that made you feel like it's just not there yet for that use case?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by spondylosaurus »

guptaneil wrote: post #4

This is something I am very curious about too. I’m kind of hopeful the fatigue and limitations imposed by Vision Pro will make my overall computer usage more intentional, similar to how wearing an Apple Watch and tossing my phone in my backpack made my overall phone usage when I’m outside more intentional. The Apple Watch is a pain to use for anything productive, and I appreciate that. The biggest question will be if…

Do you think the "benefits" (strange to say, but I totally get it) of fatigue and limitations will diminish over time as you get used to the new hardware? Or if the hardware/software itself gets better?

I just wonder if the friction imposed by a new tool—which, in this case, is a net positive—will become less noticeable and therefore less of a benefit. Compared to something like a smartwatch, which has impassable constraints no matter how much you get used to it, or even an e-ink screen.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by joshstrange »

kfichter wrote: post #23
joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I also pulled the trigger here hoping to be able to replace my desktop setup. What were the key issues you were having that made you feel like it's just not there yet for that use case?

I cover some of this in my blog post, but mostly it came down to the text I was looking at would be sharp and easy to read, but anything in my peripheral vision would look a little bit blurry. I only gave it a quick test and today I’m planning on trying to write a new feature all in the Vision Pro to see how that goes.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by somewhereoutth »

joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I don't really get the computer monitor replacement argument - if you are creating as opposed to consuming content (i.e. coding/designing/authoring), then you are going to need a rather better input medium than what a virtual keyboard/mouse will provide. And this better medium, whether keyboard, trackpad, mouse or something else, will be sitting on a desk - with your monitors! If you want more/bigger monitors, then go buy some with the $3499.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by grecy »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #26
joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I don't really get the computer monitor replacement argument - if you are creating as opposed to consuming content (i.e. coding/designing/authoring), then you are going to need a rather better input medium than what a virtual keyboard/mouse will provide. And this better medium, whether keyboard, trackpad, mouse or something else, will be sitting on a desk - with your monitors! If you want more/bigger monitors, then g…

You can use any physical mouse/keyboard as input for the Vision Pro, including the ones built into your laptop.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by cbsmith »

threeseed wrote: post #6
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

Apple's return policy is 14 days for all their products and is industry standard. Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to those with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.

> Also I am not sure what the problem is that is unique to those with ADHD. The issues raised are the same for everyone.

The joy of ADHD is that issues that seem the same as everyone else's are often far more difficult/easy to manage.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by joshstrange »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #26
joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I don't really get the computer monitor replacement argument - if you are creating as opposed to consuming content (i.e. coding/designing/authoring), then you are going to need a rather better input medium than what a virtual keyboard/mouse will provide. And this better medium, whether keyboard, trackpad, mouse or something else, will be sitting on a desk - with your monitors! If you want more/bigger monitors, then g…

I can’t speak for anybody else, but for me, I am happy to use a mouse, keyboard, and even my MacBook Pro. I just want the Apple Vision Pro to replace my monitors.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by zmmmmm »

penjelly wrote: post #14
cheschire wrote: post #3

14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform

just short enough that the VR/AR novelty hasnt worn off until its over

that's the real problem with these devices ... it has to actually get boring before you can tell if it's got real value or not. And that takes a long time precisely because the novelty is so high and so interesting. But it will happen and if you don't have a use for the device after that you have blown a lot of money.
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