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Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by worksonmine »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #15
Dig1t wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism against white people exists, there’s nothing “reverse” about it. You can discriminate and exclude based on any skin color. Competition is what we need, look at cities where Google fiber is available, internet for everyone is faster and cheaper than anywhere in the country and there are of course no data caps in those cities. It’s why internet is way better in Kansas City than Silicon Valley. Kansas City has ac…

Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.

There are politicians agitating against white people in the US. Doesn't get more systemic than that. Let's not even get into the think tanks, or the media explaining how whites becoming a minority is a good thing.

And all this is okay, in the name of diversity. It's crazy, racism is racism and this rhetoric is only antagonizing. Nothing good will come of it.

We have similar issues in my country but not to the extent I see in the US.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by bradley_taunt »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #15
Dig1t wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism against white people exists, there’s nothing “reverse” about it. You can discriminate and exclude based on any skin color. Competition is what we need, look at cities where Google fiber is available, internet for everyone is faster and cheaper than anywhere in the country and there are of course no data caps in those cities. It’s why internet is way better in Kansas City than Silicon Valley. Kansas City has ac…

Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.

Isn’t racism just racism? Racism is garbage regardless of “history” attached to it. No place for any of it.

Maybe my view is over simplistic, but it seems the most obvious.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by frob »

worksonmine wrote: post #21
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.

There are politicians agitating against white people in the US. Doesn't get more systemic than that. Let's not even get into the think tanks, or the media explaining how whites becoming a minority is a good thing. And all this is okay, in the name of diversity. It's crazy, racism is racism and this rhetoric is only antagonizing. Nothing good will come of it. We have similar issues in my country but not to the extent…

Could you please give an example of a major politician agitating against white people? To be specific, I do not mean someone pointing out that our system has been built to privlidge white people at the behest of white people, but a politician specifically agitating against white people.

Because I can find endless pages of the head of the Republican party agitating against Mexicans (they're sending rapists), Latinos, Black people (shithole countries), Muslims (literally banned them after musing about how great it would be to kill them with bullets dipped in pig's blood), and Asians (Wuhan flu and China virus, over and over and over).

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by leereeves »

spookybones wrote: post #20
leereeves wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't saying "non economically profitable neighbourhoods are non white." GP is saying that white non-economically-profitable neighbourhoods get no protection from that rule.

Doesn’t preventing discrimination based on income level cover that?

Not always. For example, not when rural areas are excluded.

Also not if, for example, an ISP decides to expand to a minority area instead of a white area because of DEI policies.

In theory that should also be forbidden by the rule against racial discrimination, but in practice it's often not enforced that way.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by klyrs »

leereeves wrote: post #13
whynotmaybe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda ironic that you call this "racism against white" by subtly saying that non economically profitable neighbourhoods are non white. Those proposed changes are not racist, they are simply and blindly anti-poor.

GP isn't saying "non economically profitable neighbourhoods are non white." GP is saying that white non-economically-profitable neighbourhoods get no protection from that rule.

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Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by jqpabc123 »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #19
jqpabc123 wrote: post #9

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Go live in Texas and see how that has worked out with their power grid.

Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? California has more outages than Texas. There is a difference between regulation and subsidies. Texas has much cheaper electricy than California: https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... > Texas is the top producer of renewable electricity in the US, followed by California. Both states are rich in renewable sources and actively working to expand the…

Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated?

It is regulated to make long term reliability and capacity planning economically unviable.

California has more outages than Texas.

Mainly due to wild fires which are beyond anyone's control. The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by [deleted] »

worksonmine wrote: post #21
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.

There are politicians agitating against white people in the US. Doesn't get more systemic than that. Let's not even get into the think tanks, or the media explaining how whites becoming a minority is a good thing. And all this is okay, in the name of diversity. It's crazy, racism is racism and this rhetoric is only antagonizing. Nothing good will come of it. We have similar issues in my country but not to the extent…

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Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by leereeves »

klyrs wrote: post #25
leereeves wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't saying "non economically profitable neighbourhoods are non white." GP is saying that white non-economically-profitable neighbourhoods get no protection from that rule.

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Which should we do? Disallow discrimination against white people on the basis of race? Or dismiss discussion of such discrimination as "specious bullshit flogging the reverse racism trope"?

I ask because those are diametrically opposed positions, and your second sentence illustrates why the first sometimes doesn't happen.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #26
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? California has more outages than Texas. There is a difference between regulation and subsidies. Texas has much cheaper electricy than California: https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... > Texas is the top producer of renewable electricity in the US, followed by California. Both states are rich in renewable sources and actively working to expand the…

Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? It is regulated to make long term reliability and capacity planning economically unviable. California has more outages than Texas. Mainly due to wild fires which are beyond anyone's control. The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence.

> The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence

Do you have any metric that validates what you say? Becuase, a reasonable person can calmly make the opposite argument.

You can protect the grid against wildfires. OTOH, California's utilities also cause wildfires due to incompetence [1]. Texas had a record-low winter storm that caused a major outage.

Also, California's electricity is more than twice as costly as that of Texas.

https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pge-to-pay-55-million-fo...

> Pacific Gas & Electric has agreed to pay more than $55 million to avoid criminal prosecution for two major wildfires started by aging Northern California power lines belonging to the nation’s largest utility, prosecutors announced Monday

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Post by hitpointdrew »

tremon wrote: post #4
Auracle wrote: post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

I very much doubt ISPs are in the habit to turn down expansion in any area... That's like climate denialism. There is a documented 30-year history of ISPs not expanding their network while claiming subsidies for exactly that: https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm . ...even if it doesn’t make economic sense You're conveniently ignoring the "not justified by genuine issues of technical or economic feasibilit…

> There is a documented 30-year history of ISPs not expanding their network

Yeah, which has nothing to do with race at all, and everything to do with population density. ISP’s don’t want to invest to expand to rural areas with few customers for obvious reasons, none of which have anything to do with discrimination of any kind.

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