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Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article:

A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investigating whether an Internet service provider should be punished for discrimination.

The FCC defined digital discrimination of access as "policies or practices, not justified by genuine issues of technical or economic feasibility, that differentially impact consumers' access to broadband Internet access service based on their income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin or are intended to have such differential impact."

I very much doubt ISPs are in the habit to turn down expansion in any area (and therefore more money/maintain their regional monopoly) because of the race of people living there. It seems like a way to force them to build out in non-white neighborhoods over other places even if it doesn’t make economic sense.

For one, that’s racism against white people by another name. We see that a lot now but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight it.

For two, it’s just an incredible waste of resources at the FCC. There are better ways to guarantee good internet for everyone instead.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

“Anti-discrimination” laws are a modern patronage system. Instead of government jobs being given out based on political favors, private companies are forced into giving out the jobs, and if they refuse, (like Elon Musk) they get hit with spurious lawsuits until they comply.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

I very much doubt ISPs are in the habit to turn down expansion in any area...

That's like climate denialism. There is a documented 30-year history of ISPs not expanding their network while claiming subsidies for exactly that: https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm .

...even if it doesn’t make economic sense

You're conveniently ignoring the "not justified by genuine issues of technical or economic feasibility" in your own goddamn quote.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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ISPs: "You can't tell us how to spend money ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure!"

Also ISPs: "Ooh! Hey! Can we have some of that money in the jar labeled 'federal money for ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure' ?"

How about this. Take it all back. Public utilities with equal access and reliability for all.

I’m not even going to try and address the other top level comment crying “reverse racism” just WTAF.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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post #4
post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

I very much doubt ISPs are in the habit to turn down expansion in any area... That's like climate denialism. There is a documented 30-year history of ISPs not expanding their network while claiming subsidies for exactly that: https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm . ...even if it doesn’t make economic sense You're conveniently ignoring the "not justified by genuine issues of technical or economic feasibilit…

> There is a documented 30-year history of ISPs not expanding their network while claiming subsidies for exactly

You are conflating two things.

I haven't read the book but does the data show they did it in a discriminatory manner, that is they didn't expand to minority areas even when it made business sense?

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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ISPs: "You can't tell us how to spend money ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure!" Also ISPs: "Ooh! Hey! Can we have some of that money in the jar labeled 'federal money for ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure' ?" How about this. Take it all back. Public utilities with equal access and reliability for all. I’m not even going to try and address the other top level comment cryin…

Or just remove subsidies and enforce anti-trust laws to make sure there is real competition.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

Kinda ironic that you call this "racism against white" by subtly saying that non economically profitable neighbourhoods are non white.

Those proposed changes are not racist, they are simply and blindly anti-poor.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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ISPs: "You can't tell us how to spend money ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure!" Also ISPs: "Ooh! Hey! Can we have some of that money in the jar labeled 'federal money for ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure' ?" How about this. Take it all back. Public utilities with equal access and reliability for all. I’m not even going to try and address the other top level comment cryin…

Or just remove subsidies and enforce anti-trust laws to make sure there is real competition.

Go live in Texas and see how that has worked out with their power grid.

Re: Republicans in Congress try to kill FCC's broadband discrimination rules

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post #2

As they should - the rules are nonsense. From the article: A US law required the FCC to issue rules "preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin," and gave the FCC some leeway in how to implement them. The resulting FCC rules let consumers file complaints about alleged discrimination and define the elements the FCC would examine when investig…

>I very much doubt ISPs are in the habit to turn down expansion in any area (and therefore more money/maintain their regional monopoly) because of the race of people living there.

You're doubting something that you made up.

>It seems like a way to force them to build out in non-white neighborhoods over other places even if it doesn’t make economic sense.

No, it doesn't.

> For one, that’s racism against white people by another name. We see that a lot now but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight it.

The thought of a person in 2024 who believes that the US government is systematically working to be racist against white people would be hilarious, if it were not so sad.

> There are better ways to guarantee good internet for everyone instead.

Like what?

This is the FCC press release on the announcement.[0] You might want to read it. Here are the actual rules[1]. You might want to read those too. And think about how peculiar it is that, out of all the groups defined, that you've chosen to focus exclusively on race. You know what the say. A man who has lived his entire life of privilege feels persecution in equality.

[0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-398477A1.txt

[1] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-100A1.pdf

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