Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice • Hacker News Board

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by malermeister » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:04 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #8

echelon wrote: post #4

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yeah Mozilla never complains about harmful design on chromebooks. Strange!

I mean, yes, Google pays Mozilla. But also, Chromebooks are barely relevant compared to Windows.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by ustad » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:07 AM UTC

Well done to Mozilla for commissioning this report. An interesting read that confirms what we always thought was happening. We should encourage similar kind of reporting.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by youngtaff » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:11 AM UTC

malermeister wrote: post #11

ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah Mozilla never complains about harmful design on chromebooks. Strange!

I mean, yes, Google pays Mozilla. But also, Chromebooks are barely relevant compared to Windows.

Windows is barely relevant compared to Android and iOS

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by cassepipe » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:19 AM UTC

youngtaff wrote: post #13

malermeister wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, yes, Google pays Mozilla. But also, Chromebooks are barely relevant compared to Windows.

Windows is barely relevant compared to Android and iOS

Well browser choice is definitely not an issue on Android.

Whereas iOS...

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by jampekka » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:23 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #4

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They did.

https://research.mozilla.org/browser-competition/5wg/

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by Vinnl » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:29 AM UTC

jampekka wrote: post #15

echelon wrote: post #4

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They did. https://research.mozilla.org/browser-competition/5wg/

Also https://github.com/mozilla/platform-tilt/labels/vendor%3A%20...

Part of https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by andersrs » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:36 AM UTC

iPhone browser choice: https://imgur.com/a/jFa5A5j

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by hiddencost » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:36 AM UTC

User hostile design patterns are everywhere these days... I wish that there were inspectors who were as powerful as health inspectors, empowered to make companies to fix their dark patterns.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by zipping1549 » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:39 AM UTC

sideshowb wrote: post #5

Is there a way to use bing chat from Firefox yet?

Not an answer but better alternative: Kagi. Paid, but it pays for itself. Not affiliated. Just satisfied.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by gbxyz » Sat, Feb 03, 2024, 9:42 AM UTC

I kind of get the vibe that Mozilla is laying the groundworks for Microsoft vs Netscape Round II - or at least some kind of antitrust litigation.