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Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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Re: Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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Lemme guess, you're in the Netherlands. You folks have awesome internet because you force the local loop to be unbundled. Every country should do this. However, almost none do (except yours, and a few counties within the US state of Washington). Nobody with bundled local loops will get pricing+performance like this; please don't raise peoples' expectations. Instead, point them to the root cause (local loop bundling),…

> Lemme guess, you're in the Netherlands. No, Spain using Digi, which is a Romanian company. 10Gbit is only available in cities where Digi has their own fiber/equipment. When you’re in an area where the fiber is shared it’s 1Gbit max for same price. > You folks have awesome internet because you force the local loop to be unbundled. I don’t know what this means (although I can maybe guess). Can you explain it for sake…

I don’t know what this means (although I can maybe guess). Can you explain it for sake of clarity?

Basically it means that whoever owns the "last mile" can't sell it only directly to the customer as part of a larger (bundled) product like "internet access." They have to sell access to that last mile of fiber or copper "unbundled" from anything else (such as "internet access"), and they have to offer it to other ISPs. This is how it has been for ~25 years in NL, and people there understand how important it is.

By forcing the monopoly (local loop) to be a separate company from everything else it makes it totally obvious when there are ridiculous shenanighans. Like, if local-loop company X has only one ISP customer Y, that's an obvious red flag. Also since they are separate companies regulators can subpoena the contracts, communications, and payments which flow between the two companies.

It's essentially the internet version of what the US did to voice telephony after we broke up our telephone monopoly back in the 1970s: no single company was allowed to do both local loop and long distance.

Currently the Netherlands has this for local-loop fiber, and a few counties in the US State of Washington have it due to the odd fact that their local-loop fiber is owned by the electric utility (not the phone or cable companies). It is an awesome system.

Here's the Dutch cases:

- copper (2000): https://www.acm.nl/en/publications/publication/9225/KPN-is-r...

- fiber (2015): https://www.acm.nl/en/publications/publication/15093/KPN-mus...

General background info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbundled_access

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_loop_unbundling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-stream_access

Re: Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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Yes, and: > The Comcast "Gigabit Pro" fiber connection that provides 10Gbps speeds costs $299.95 a month plus a $19.95 modem lease fee. It also requires a $500 installation charge and a $500 activation charge. For reference, I’m paying €25/mo for 10Gbit symmetric. Modem “lease” and installation included. To be fair, I get ~8Gbit/s in practice, but that’s well worth it.

> I’m paying €25/mo for 10Gbit symmetric. Can you post where you live so I can move there.

Spain, see my other answer :)

Re: Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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Yes, and: > The Comcast "Gigabit Pro" fiber connection that provides 10Gbps speeds costs $299.95 a month plus a $19.95 modem lease fee. It also requires a $500 installation charge and a $500 activation charge. For reference, I’m paying €25/mo for 10Gbit symmetric. Modem “lease” and installation included. To be fair, I get ~8Gbit/s in practice, but that’s well worth it.

That's gotta be the best deal I've ever seen. Probably a year of service just to break even on the hardware to connect you to the upstream device, not counting actually providing the service. It's hard to find a base VPS with that level of service even allowing for a low data cap for the price and that's just for a connection with no hardware and a limited place to put data in the first place. They don't happen to of…

Haha no I think they might not. I agree the VPS space is underserved wrt connection speed, which is where VPSes could really shine given the egress scams of cloud providers. Sometimes they have higher than advertised speeds though. I suspect most people care about cpu, ram and fs IO more than network speeds. This, in turn, might be because of bloated modern stacks that eat so much resources that link speed never becomes a bottleneck. Just a theory..

I’ve found good deals with Netcup (EU) and Colohouse (US) although the latter is not fun to deal with their “support” aka sales “team”.

Re: Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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> Lemme guess, you're in the Netherlands. No, Spain using Digi, which is a Romanian company. 10Gbit is only available in cities where Digi has their own fiber/equipment. When you’re in an area where the fiber is shared it’s 1Gbit max for same price. > You folks have awesome internet because you force the local loop to be unbundled. I don’t know what this means (although I can maybe guess). Can you explain it for sake…

I don’t know what this means (although I can maybe guess). Can you explain it for sake of clarity? Basically it means that whoever owns the "last mile" can't sell it only directly to the customer as part of a larger (bundled) product like "internet access." They have to sell access to that last mile of fiber or copper "unbundled" from anything else (such as "internet access"), and they have to offer it to other ISPs.…

Thanks.

> and they have to offer it to other ISP

Key point yes. That’s how it is or at least seems to be in many countries.

Societies MUST decouple infrastructure, platforms etc from service providers. Doesn’t matter if private or public. If you don’t, you always end up with shit.

Re: Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading "10G Network" claims

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Shit, I was paying 80.-/mo for Swisscom DSL @100Mb in Schwerzenbach because it was the only wireline option available. Eventually just switched to Yallo 4G at 15.-/mo, which was mostly fine.

It looks like your area will be getting fiber around April: https://ftth.init7.net/?x=963376.03977&y=6004593.74257&z=15....

If only :) I moved to Ireland. If I'm lucky, we'll have fiber in Dec 2026!
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