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some activities require a proof of residency AND salary in Japan
Like what activities?
gym membership, certain ride share bike rentals in some cities. just few things I tried to do during my last trip.
Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
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Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
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it is not 90 days total per year, but the officials are strict on it. if they see you were recently in japan they may suspect you of working illegally. they also can say you’ve returned too soon and reject you. not worth the risk imo, even though a i know a few people that have done it successfully so they could study in japan without a year long visa.
> it is not 90 days total per year, but the officials are strict on it. That may have been what I was thinking, I recall on my first trip there, they were pretty strict and wanted to know exactly where I was staying I even had to show them on the map. For my wife's tourist visa we had to apply to a travel agency that was a liaison with the Japan embassy (The Japan embassy required it, you couldn't apply directly in h…
Yeah, there's likely a citizenship thing at play. I imagine the treatment for a "digital nomad" from the US is going to be pretty different than someone from the Philippines or Vietnam [1], for example. Japan (like most countries) probably doesn't care so much about re-entry of rich tourists, so long as they're not working or doing anything illegal.
[1] Both are countries with lots of unskilled folks who desperately want to work in Japan.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of savings? I live in Switzerland now and barely spend more in a lazy month than I did in 'super cheap thailand'
Not sure about Thailand but key in Philippines is to go in the village/province where the locals are the primary consumers of housing. It helps if you know local families to keep you from getting ripped off.
Yeah! Let's internationalize gentrification!!!!
Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
#284In most countries you can't do any kind of work while in a tourist Visa, but this was never enforced, because it was so exceedingly rare for not to be on governments radar. But once it became more prevalent, it creates the problem (on governments view, especially post 9/11) of having a bunch of foreign folks living for months and receiving money from abroad for god knows which reason. This creates the problem for law…
> In most countries you can't do any kind of work while in a tourist Visa, but this was never enforced That's because the laws exist to protect local jobs. Since nomads aren't 'stealing' local jobs, the laws serve their purpose despite them being broken all the time. All bets are off if a nomad decided to bar work or waiting at a restaurant! (or any other profession that takes a job from a local).
Actually governments don't care too much about protecting local jobs. What really annoys them is not collecting their taxes.
Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know that's fine for some countries such as the Philippines (though their tourist visa can be extended so long, it's rarely necessary) but IIRC this doesn't fly in Japan, it's 90 days per year, total, and they're very strict about it.
I don't know if it differs by country, but that's incorrect for residents of the US, and various countries in western Europe. You get 90 days per stay , with 2 stays a year. (edit: I could be wrong about the 2 stay max. It might be higher. I'm pretty sure I entered Japan more than 2 times in a single year on a visa-free waver, but I don't know if there's some window that applies.)
2 stays max is not officially written anywhere but about 180 days is the rule of thumb people usually go by.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, but I have to agree with him as a German. The discussion climate about such topics is really rough here due to the country’s history.
You're a German person who is defending a person who chose to include the word "nazi" as the start of the conversation? That just makes people assume you find that kind of rhetoric acceptable and if that is true, then it is no wonder you can't have a decent conversation on the topic.
I don’t know, everyone but you seems to be able to have a civil discussion.
All I can say as a white Polish immigrant in Germany is that I was hit by the “Nazi club” as it’s called here a hundred times in my lifetime. No matter how mild your statement might be the Nazi insinuation comes fast. My superpower is that I can actually defend myself by saying that my ancestors were killed by Nazis, while native Germans can’t, but such a defense shouldn’t be necessary to begin with.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe what we should question is the relevance and importance of such metrics.
I strongly dislike arguments like this. Because you can apply them to basically any metric and I find that they are generally used to cheaply discredit a potentially interesting fact about the world without actually providing an argument that the metric in question is not a useful one to consider. In all other contexts would you also say gdp per capita is a metric not worth considering? If not then I humbly question…
I'm not trying to discredit GDP; I don't think it is a useless metric. Lawmakers around the world—some that are paid handsomely—care about it and obviously quite a bit can be inferred from it, but in this case we would be better served utilising a multi-dimensional lens, so to say, in these tangential topics. I'm just against hearing about it as the most important economic metric of a country. It's very often used as a single data point to come to all kinds of conclusions. There are some top-comments in this thread where people are almost forecasting Japan's doom, which is of course a ridiculous view. That's the general direction my comment was aimed at.
At the risk of being out of my depth: You only need a few seconds to look at the per-capita list before finding yourself asking "wait, why is THAT country so high up?". Again, useful info can be inferred, but it doesn't put the country above others in other important lists, which is what people usually imply and use it for, on topics not strictly related to economy statistics.
Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
Literally never. This topic is one of those things that draws resentful ruleboys out of the woodwork to preach about something they have no firsthand knowledge of because none exists.
No, I think people are missing the wood for the trees here. The fact that these visas are becoming available means that governments are wising up to the fact that people have been working remotely on tourist visas and want in on it. They want to be able to charge for it, or set a limit on who can do it, or tax it. Now that these visas exist, and immigration officers know that, it’s only obvious that they’ll start to…
I think you're confusing their goal. It's not that they have a problem with people working remotely on tourist visas, it's that they want them to do it for longer as it brings economic benefit to the country.
If they disliked the idea they wouldn't be creating new visas for the purpose, since that only makes it more prevalent and normalized.
Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
I strongly dislike arguments like this. Because you can apply them to basically any metric and I find that they are generally used to cheaply discredit a potentially interesting fact about the world without actually providing an argument that the metric in question is not a useful one to consider. In all other contexts would you also say gdp per capita is a metric not worth considering? If not then I humbly question…
I'm not trying to discredit GDP; I don't think it is a useless metric. Lawmakers around the world—some that are paid handsomely—care about it and obviously quite a bit can be inferred from it, but in this case we would be better served utilising a multi-dimensional lens, so to say, in these tangential topics. I'm just against hearing about it as the most important economic metric of a country. It's very often used as…
Thanks for clarifying, that's definitely a more well thought through perspective than I gave you credit for before.
I guess I would avoid updating my beliefs too strongly when a measurement I generally find quite useful (in this case gdp per capita) does not perfectly map onto a more nuanced view of the world! As you say, it's only a single data point.
Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? I know that legally they could deport you so its not a great idea, but how often does someone actually get deported for doing remote work while spending a few months in another country?
Literally never. This topic is one of those things that draws resentful ruleboys out of the woodwork to preach about something they have no firsthand knowledge of because none exists.
Seriously, “ruleboys” is a good one or what I thought of as “hall pass monitor”. I work remotely and have worked remotely from several countries, not once has it been an issue. I just don’t walk up to the customs agent and naïvely say “oh hi, just an FYI that I plan to work remotely for this month from your beautiful country”.