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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Culonavirus wrote: post #186
dang wrote: post #133

> The assumption is that a Story cannot go from the top 30 to a position higher than 90 in a single minute, without having been explicitly removed. That's wrong. Both the flamewar detector (a.k.a. the overheated discussion detector) and user flags do that, and there are other software mechanisms that do it too. For example, if a story has been on the front page for more than (IIRC) 18 hours, it gets an automatic down…

> keep in mind that user flags affect a submission's rank long before the [flagged] marker appears What kinds of user flags are there and why are they not public? People should know. Shadowbanning belongs in the 2010s.

In your profile settings there is an option to show flagged topics and posts.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by s1artibartfast »

rezonant wrote: post #324
Culonavirus wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> keep in mind that user flags affect a submission's rank long before the [flagged] marker appears What kinds of user flags are there and why are they not public? People should know. Shadowbanning belongs in the 2010s.

It's just the flagging you already have access to (as you have more than 30 karma). It's the flag option. There's nothing special otherwise that I'm aware of (at least at 2500 karma)

At some point you get the option to vouch for flagged posts as well.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by ggdG »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #230
CamperBob2 wrote: post #161

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(Shrug) I don't require scientific proof of the inverse-square law. It's self-evident to the point of being axiomatic. Standing 6 feet away from a virus source will expose you to about 44% fewer virus particles than standing 5 feet away from one, while not imposing any real hardships in most public interaction scenarios. What's controversial about that? If you demand precise scientific rigor in all aspects of everyda…

The same with masks: Put a water hose on mist and spray someone with it. Then put a cloth over the nozzle and try to spray them. It's self evident yet people just could not grasp it.

It's "self evident" yet a large Cochrane meta-analysis finds no benificial effect of masks whatsoever:

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by webappguy »

dang wrote: post #298
caymanjim wrote: post #294

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I'm curious why there's no actual downvote for submissions. Was that ever discussed on here? I did a quick search for prior discussions on the topic but didn't find anything. To me, "flag" means "this is a serious violation that requires moderator attention". Something I'd want you to see and deal with because it's bigoted, illegal, spam, etc. I wouldn't flag something simply because I didn't think HN was the right a…

The only person who could answer that is pg because that design choice was part of the embryo of HN. He must have been thinking something though, because Reddit was originally his conception and he was an influence on the earliest development of Reddit as well (edit: and Reddit does have story downvoting - forgot to mention that bit).

It's good that this is in this thread, as I bet a ton of power users (I check HN multiple times a day for years but likely only a time or two have glossed over the FAQ), did not know FLAG could be used as a downvote tool. Interesting choice by PG, I agree with the previous comment, we have all come to know FLAG as a violation tool on most platforms. Now we know.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by comex »

jeremyjh wrote: post #315
dang wrote: post #158

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The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

The flags on the last item don't seem to be made in good faith. This looks like abuse of the flag system to me. Is there a system for monitoring flag abuse?

By "the last item" you're referring to "Avoid Async Rust at All Cost", right? Personally I don't think that's abuse; I would have flagged that post if I'd seen it. That's despite the fact that I agree with a lot of what's in the post. The title is just too inflammatory. And there are more inflammatory bits in the post, such as saying the feature is "objectively bad", and saying that a community member's post "gracefully omits" some information (where the word "gracefully" sounds like an accusation that they were being disingenuous). Totally unnecessary. Chop off the inflammatory bits and you'd have a perfectly good blog post making an interesting point, but as-is that post was not going to lead to a productive discussion.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by johnnyanmac »

dang wrote: post #158
TheCoreh wrote: post #36

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

I don't necessarily want to dissect every little story, but this post was a funny edge case:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39203106

a tame story that got some discussion, but was marked as a dupe. But I didn't see any other posts linked in the comments as expected. I search for other submissions and see two other posts... with 0 comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39190710

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39186297

I don't really have a critique or solution here, I imagine false negatives are an inevitability. Just sharing.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by jgrahamc »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #267
jgrahamc wrote: post #244

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I have no idea. I created it as an experiment. It's fairly active despite being a few months old. We'll see what happens.

I have bookmarked and will post something if I get my Everdrive64 ordered.

Thank you! Hope you enjoy the site.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by ttepasse »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #144
wolverine876 wrote: post #84

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I don't agree with the GP at all. Most seem normal for the front page or the intellectual curiosity standard (I mean, personally I'd like a much higher standard, but I'm basing it on what HN already has). All from only one day: * Ford's new 48-inch digital dashboard is a lot of Android for one car: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/22/24045932/ford-android-scr... * Secret Plan Against Germany (a very big story in Germa…

The second one is both sensationalist clickbait[1] and politics. It was rightly removed: >Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's not as if the internet is lacking i…

The second story is evidence of a new phenomenon: The far right political movements thinking about an anti-constitutional policy, a new step on the ladder of escalation.

There's a reason it's a big deal in German politics and already had some fallout (and thankfully multiple dozens of counter-demonstration of ten of thousands of people all over Germany.)

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