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Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Canada, Portugal, Colombia, the US... we'd probably have an easier time making a list of nations that don't have a "pay to play" immigration scheme. Here's a half-decent list: https://www.globalcitizensolutions.com/citizenship-by-invest...

Canada has a large swatch of categories for immigration and does not have high standards across the board. I have no strong opinions immigration which is a hot topic currently but I do want to clarify that your assertion is incorrect.

My assertion, that most countries have criteria for immigration that involve income tests, asset tests, or skill requirements is absolutely true.

Other paths to immigration exist as well.

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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It is difficult even getting a gym membership (yes, there are alternative such as pay-as-you-go at ward gyms) without a bank account. And if you are from a country such as the USA, obtaining a bank account even with a residency (zairyu) card is cumbersome on account of FATCA (some banks will even outright reject Americans unless they are on a corporate expat package or are working for a Japanese company which "takes care of things" for them).

These hurdles, along with many others, make Japan a difficult proposition for typical nomads.

Show up in a new country...

>Let me rent a place

No zairyu? See ya! (yes, there are sharehouses and places which allow foreigners for medium to long term stays, as well as expensive corporate housing type places, but you are limited to options such as these)

>That sucks. Well, let me get a local phone number because that's required for some services

No zairyu? See ya! (yes, there are now more MVNOs and services which will allow foreigners to get temporary Japanese numbers but at a higher cost)

>Alright, what a frustrating day, I'll go to the gym, and I'll bring a wad of cash to pay for my first 3 months membership until I get everything set up

No bank account? See ya!

Are these things surmountable? Of course. But even for foreigners who speak Japanese decently well (such as N2 and above, though N4 is still probably more than enough to navigate basic bureaucratic procedures), navigating these almost circular tasks is not any easier. Are these things that a nomad wants to deal with? lol, *highly* doubtful. Even for foreigners who can speak Japanese and who are studying in Japan or have a job at a Japanese company, there are many hurdles that take time to set up to get fully "situated" there.

Japan is not structured for short term knowledge workers. Heck, it is not structured for even most foreigners (enjoy being stopped on your bicycle by police for the sole reason that you do not look Japanese). Every year, the Japanese government comes out with new initiatives to attract knowledge workers, from the Fukuoka startup zone to the "blue collar labourer visa" to the "PhD visa". Yet they can never even come close to meeting quotas, because the hidden requirements of these visas, combined with friction/hurdles that still exist upon arrival, render all these attempts stillborn. These initiatives are done such that the Japanese government and government-controlled press can say "Look, we're trying!", without doing anything substantive.

Now, Japan *is* structured for short term labourers from Southeast Asia and countries like Nepal, but poor conditions in factory dormitories and having your passport seized upon arrival are not exactly the types of jobs that HN readers have in mind.

Don't get me wrong, Japan is a beautiful country to visit, with a rich history and culture. And if you are a foreign expat on a nice package, there is good money to be made. Students on semesters or years abroad? Probably fun, as well! But as a short term digital nomad? That's a huge ask. So many barriers that do not exist nearly anywhere else in the world for your typical digital nomad reader here. If you want to see Japan, it is probably best to just travel as a tourist. [Side note: even for long term foreign workers in Japan, the new laws passed in 2015/2016 are brutal for foreign income, high taxes on global assets, which caused a bit of an exodus of highly-paid foreign expats. Those taxes hit after 5 years spent in Japan as a resident, so your time is limited to 4.99 years if you want to avoid them. Not relevant to short term digital nomads, but just pointing out that, if anything, Japan is increasingly unfriendly to skilled foreign workers, not that other way around. There are *always* massive strings attached when it comes to "friendly" initiatives from the Japanese government.]

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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I assure you that there is nothing disingenuous in my comment, and not everything is a "dog whistle". A dog whistle for what, if you mind? No people has ever willed to be colonised (and that was the proposal in the comment I replied to). Immigration is a different matter. The people in history who welcomed being colonised were very sorry for it afterwards. Genetic extermination is the same as genocide, and it has hap…

> Genetic extermination is the same as genocide No, it isn't. Nobody is "exterminating" the Japanese. They're culturally unsustainable. It's not fucking Genocide when you're doing it to yourself. There's no Panda Holocaust either.

Nobody has said that, try reading my comment better:

"Colonisation always goes hand in hand with genetic extermination of the natives"

I'm saying that when people start proposing and planning colonisation of a foreign country, genetic extermination usually follows.

Edit: I think I see what confused you. I wrote "it's happening right now" not referring to Japan, but referring to humanity at large.

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Wow, this comment comes across as extremely nationalistic, sorry to say but to the point of being fascistic (and I’m not one for using this term lightly).

I agree the tone was aggressive but this is arguably a real issue and it's not as simple as it seems at first

Israel as a "Jewish state" is arguably a place that would not exist if they let in unlimited immigration because it would soon be majority not Jewish. I see that's in conflict with the idea that people should be/do whatever they want. I don't see how to reconcile the two sides.

Radiolab had an episode on this issue WRT to Samoa (https://radiolab.org/podcast/americanish-2306) My memory of the episode is the first half they paint the picture of a particular seemingly "racist" local trying to keep non-Samoans from owning any land. Most people are okay with it, then this person whispers in their ear and suddenly they're against it.

In the second half they go over why. The reason being rich non-Samoans would quickly buy up the entire island and there would be no Samoa / Samoan culture anymore. I don't know how to resolve that.

Part of me thinks they Samoans, Jews, Japan, British, Native Americans, etc... should not disallow immigration. It seems anti-democratic, anti-liberal values. On the other hand, something will be lost, something that seems to have value, which is the cultures of the people there currently.

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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What blows my mind is that Japan's GDP per capita (PPP) as reported by World Bank is now lower than 4 formerly comparatively "poor" former Easter Block countries: Czechia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Estonia. And just one place above Poland. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_... WTF happened in Japan? All the above countries have their own demographic collapse as well BTW.

Maybe what we should question is the relevance and importance of such metrics.

I strongly dislike arguments like this. Because you can apply them to basically any metric and I find that they are generally used to cheaply discredit a potentially interesting fact about the world without actually providing an argument that the metric in question is not a useful one to consider.

In all other contexts would you also say gdp per capita is a metric not worth considering? If not then I humbly question the value of your statement.

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Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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No, this is the correct interpretation in a lot of countries, you are performing paid work there regardless of who and where the employer is. Emergencies are all well and good, but turning up at the immigration desk and saying you don’t plan on working when you actually do will lead to trouble in a lot of places.

How do business trips work then?

When you get to the passport control desk and they ask you “business or pleasure”, you answer “business” and then depending on the arrangements between your home country and the country you’re entering they may need to you show them a business visa.

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Canada has a large swatch of categories for immigration and does not have high standards across the board. I have no strong opinions immigration which is a hot topic currently but I do want to clarify that your assertion is incorrect.

My assertion, that most countries have criteria for immigration that involve income tests, asset tests, or skill requirements is absolutely true. Other paths to immigration exist as well.

Your assertion is that those countries require their immigrants to go through those tests and pass and your it implies tacitly that this is for almost all immigrants who come through. However at most 50% go through that route (in Canada).

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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“The most similar existing status is usually used by tourists, does not allow work and allows a maximum stay of just 90 days” I don’t think that’s correct. A tourist visa doesn’t allow you to work locally but they do not limit working remotely for an overseas company. For example, if you’re on vacation in Japan from the US and an emergency happens at work, you can join a call without risk of deportation.

Authorities won't be running after you, or a digital nomad traveling by bike the country while working on his blog. But those are still violation of the tourist status, they're just too small to be cared about. It would be another story if you published a movie shot in Japan while on a tourist visa.

What if my blog is a vlog?

What distinction are you drawing?

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Most aren't aware of the situation Japan is in today because of the world we all grew up in, where Japan was at one point nearly the largest economy in the world. Japan has been in between a recession and stagnation for 30 years. Their GDP was higher 31 years ago than it is today. [1] Their GDP/capita is $33,950 with most wages well below that. They hit a record high for average wages in 2022 of ¥311,800 - about $2,1…

What blows my mind is that Japan's GDP per capita (PPP) as reported by World Bank is now lower than 4 formerly comparatively "poor" former Easter Block countries: Czechia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Estonia. And just one place above Poland. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_... WTF happened in Japan? All the above countries have their own demographic collapse as well BTW.

What happened? Simple: Eastern Europe has been experiencing constant GDP growth for the past 3 decades, while Japan stagnated.

Also, regarding sibling comment about relevance of PPP metrics: I challenge you to come to Czechia or Poland - the quality of life can really surprise you. Those are, for example, the two countries with the lowest unemployment rates in EU. We have nice apartments and houses (with photovoltaic panels and heat pumps, mind you), drive nice cars, have good healthcare and free higher education.

Unless I get a $1M+ per year offer from a FAANG in Silicon Valley I feel like no country in the world can offer me a significantly better standard of living.

Re: Japan to introduce six-month residency visa for 'digital nomads'

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Any idea of how much the tax might be in Japan? And how does it affect taxes in the US?

Not sure about the first part, but generally the way it works is that first you pay taxes to the country where you are a resident, and then you still must also pay taxes to the US by virtue of being a US citizen but you usually get a credit on those US taxes in the amount you already paid to your country of residence. Sometimes the country where you’re living has much higher taxes, so you end up not owing anything to…

The winning play is the SALT or Charity dodge: pay taxes to an authority who returns a lot more of it to you in benefits than the other authority does.
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